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CITIZENS' EDITORIALS **********************************************************2/20: After reading Mark Harper's article I should be shocked, but no, I should have seen it coming. It was so slanted I had to tilt my head to read it.....but who runs the Daytona Beach News Journal anyway? After all the News Journal is the newspaper that gave Sandra Wilson $50,000 to get her DREAM started. Her dream eventually cost the taxpayers roughly $4 million and counting but who cares about taxpayers? Why would the DBNJ give Sandra Wilson $50k? Well lets see, the DBNJ asked for $1 million from ECHO in 2003 but settled for $600K, in 2004 the DBNJ got another $600K, in 2005 another $600K, in 2006 another $600K. All for the Lively Arts Center in Daytona. This money came from the taxpayers that were foolish enough to vote themselves additional taxes, the ECHO gravy train has since dished out roughly $50 million for projects that are very questionable. Visit the ECHO GRANTS section and see what 501c3 hustlers have been devouring the county pork. Ask VCC member Pat Northey about her tenure on the GCA board of directors and how much she voted for the GCA Inc.and when she did it. The DBNJ had offered to pay $13 million for naming rights to the Lively Arts Center, has been sued by it's shareholders and sold to the Redding Group of Halifax Media for $ 20 M. It has laid off 470 employees and as of 2010 was run by a court appointed administrator for a fee of $2000 per day. Who runs this remnant of a bankrupt newpaper today is anyone's guess, how much more will ECHO feed their carcass of a newspaper, who knows? Read all about the warped and crooked recent history of this newspaper and its vulgar relationship with the ARTS community as it gave away money to the Debary Arts League... DBNJ got so much money from ECHO they could afford throwing it at other arts hustlers and Vulture Culture 501c3 Non profit bum corporations. That is the Daytona Beach News Journal.....that is the ART of getting money from ECHO and simply giving it away to their friends in the politics of Arts and Culture. The News Journal offers a pay out of $13 million for naming rights....to whom .....then the paper goes bankrupt...and sells for $20 M. That is a newspaper we can all trust! Can we trust the DBNJ....I do not after reading Mark Harper's article. His article fails to mention all the people he interviewed, what was said, what he said others said and what he recorded in phone conversations. Mark Harper was manipulated and made a fool, but that's show biz, spin for the ART & Culture community from a newspaper that had to be sued by its own shareholders to get untangled from the culture of corruption often associated with Arts and Culture Community of manipulators. Anyway Sandra Wilson and her influential friends used that DBNJ 'seed money' to talk Carmen Rosamonda and the Debary Council out of another $100,000 then Pat Northey and Rep. John Mica got on the band wagon and before you know it we have an Arts Center controlled by a corporation that will never pay a dime in taxes. But who was the prime contractor that built the Arts Center who was the artchitect, who did the GCA have to sign those checks over to to get the building built? It is only taxpayer money... money arriving into private pockets, nothing illegal just business as usual. Where did all that money end up? Climb the Pinnacle Inc. tower of truth to find out, it was a local event. Sandra Wilson's dream/nightmare was built on the backs of the taxpayers like magic. Who cares it is only $4 million or so, the taxpayers don't mind the cost was spread out between Federal, State, County and locals. We are a nation choking on corruption...solution lets waste millions on ARTS and Culture! How dare any citizen speak out against needless extravagences like ARTS and Culture buildings at $4m a copy. Debary is only $12 million in debt, why shouldn't the GCA attempt to get the City of Debary to clean their bathrooms when they boast of 300 volunteers. How dare anyone point out that the GCA is a greedy special intrest group that survives on handouts from the taxpayer ............yet pays zero taxes. One of over 50 non profit bum organizations in DEBARY....they all get a free tax ride and have closed books. You will never see GCA royalty board members, the politicians like Pat Northey and lawyers cleaning bathrooms. they have others to do their dirty work. Speaking of the GCA politicians getting others to do their dirty work...why would Sandra Wilsons daughter claim to the VCSO I was trespassing at a public meeting? How can someone trespass at a public event? Why would Sandra Wisons daughter claim their was a restraing order on me when there was none, Why would some manipulator at the GCA meeting on the 15th claim I was drunk when I was not. Why because the GCA is an ugly organization full of manipulative political people that are in my opinion far more interested in money and politics than arts and culture. To tell you the truth I have never in my life encountered such a vicious cowardly bunch of people as I did on Dec 15th at this event. Not one person even asked me to leave, they already were manipulating VCSO into doing their dirty work for them. On Dec 21st someone at the GCA claimed there was an open warrent on me, of course there was none, how can the GCA politicians continue to lie to the VCSO and get away with it...ask Sheriff Ben Johnson or Chief of Deputys Mike Coffin. There were 7 false or manipulative statements made by GCA personnel made against myself...it is apparently okay with Sheriff BEN JOHNSON and his boys at the District six in Debary. Maybe the VCSO has some integrity left and will and do an honest investigation into how they were manipulated. Read the Sheriff's Mission Statement on the internet maybe he means what he says. Sandra Wilson is a sweetheart according to the article, perhaps she is, but just try critcizing her Dream, you will see how sweet she really is. People just do not understand, she claims, yes they do understand. This person and her friends manipulated and manuvered millions from government to build her and her disciples a free building and free fundraising and political center in the name of ARTS and Culture. If ARTS and Culture is so popular why does it continue to seek government GRANT/WELFARE money, why can't the upscale arrogant pay for their own ARTS & Politics clubhouse in a Debary City Park? The next fundraiser at the Gateway Corporation's free building in a public park will cost citizens $75 dollar a piece to attend. Once inside there will be the usual silent auction shake down for 'garage sale junk art' and you can visit their expensive retail store. Very little is free at the Gateway Corporation's facilities as politicians, church groups, fruit and vegetable sales are all okay in a facility that is more about money and politics than arts and culture. Jesus has even landed at the GCA in the form of The Heart of Christ Church passing the plate for even more money from a taxpayer funded building. Why no steeple with crusifix at Gateway, only God knows and he ain't talking or paying taxes. I do not dislike Sandra Wilson she is an excellent lobbyist and manipulator...that is what it takes to get things done, it is called politics. I am just speaking out as a victim/taxpayer one that does not appreciate having to pay for the toys of the wealthy and arrogant in a city that is $12 million in debt with intrest. You won't see any poor people at the Gateway Corporations next moneyhustlling / fundraising event . You won't see the working poor, few middle class can afford to waste $75 to attend this economic event. You will see politicians, the wealthy and the type people that live in gated communities and ride golfcarts , the type people that collectively control a nation hopelessly corrupt from Main St. to Wall St. The wealthy, political and influential of Debary care about themselves, it is the ART of getting taxpayer money and and CULTURE of entitlement, all from a free building infected with a tax free corporation in a Public park. The proceeds from the GCA's next fundraiser will go to their favorite charity....themselves.......get your $75 ticket help support a corporation that pays no taxes and is of questionable value to the community. Morton Culligan Debary, Fl. The Image City Debary... no jobs, few businesses but lots of IMAGE.
2/15: Tragic accidents of kids on their way to school in Volusia. Public meetings and chest thumping by elected officials leading to some light. A threat of "now beginning to ticket violators." Sidewalks, parents taking responsibility, name it...everything but an admission fron Volusia elected officials. Volusia County Sheriff (the Sheriff's portion of the budget begins on page F-244 of the entire budget)one of the HIGHLIGHTS is: "Three full-time and forty five part-time positions were deleted from this activity during FY 2010-11. This reaches the County Council goal of eliminating seventy three Crossing Guard positions." the Council is more important to the Sheriff than safety of school kids. Did anyone fight the elimination of these positions? Maybe one kid would be alive today if they did. Bill Tavernier 2/12: 1/11/12: THOUGHT CRIMINAL ARRESTED
From Mort Culligan: The Volusia County Sheriff’s Office has a big job and is often manipulated by people that know how to use it against other citizens. For instance, did you know that a VCSO incident report can be filed against you without your knowledge? An incident report can be filed against you or someone in your family without your knowledge, accusing you of anything. The VCSO has no obligation to tell you anything. How do I know this? Because it happened to me and only because a concerned citizen let me know did I check into it and find the filed reports. The reports were filled out because of my opposition to the Gateway Center for the Arts. On May 27th, 2011 Robert Rinaldo contacted the VCSO complaining that an e-mail was sent to him "that might pose a threat to the well being of persons at Gateway Park".Ref VCSO incident report 110016094 Dept. Gill investigated the matter and concluded " although the e mail was rather boisterous it did not appear to be threatening in any manner but merely voiced Culligan's opinion on wasteful government spending”. June 2nd, 2011 Mrs. Sandra Wilson founder of The Debary Art League now known as the GCA Inc. contacted the VCSO and filed an incident report # 110016720 claiming to be harassed and intimidated at city council meetings. Mrs. Wilson apparently is not happy when a citizen such as myself actually stands up to her and her tax exempt organization as it tries to get money or special treatment from the City of Debary taxpayers. Deputy Gonzales of the VCSO determined that “…Mr Culligan has not committed any crime and was just voicing his opinion at council meetings”. That is two times Gateway's people have attempted to manipulate the VCSO in order to retaliate on this Debary taxpayer that opposed their manipulation and exploitation of the taxpayers via the City of Debary. I was never informed of these incident reports that were unfounded and manipulative in nature. How did I swerve into them? Because of recent events in December, 2011. Ref Police event P113492156 12/15/2011 I attended an event on 12/15/2011 that was advertised open to public at Gateway Park. Refer to Gateway's own newsletter on their website. I entered the building as an invited guest and sat in the rear of the auditorium and said nothing to anyone and listened to the speakers. It was an interesting talk concerning the previous owners of Gemini Springs Park. As the talk and applause ended I got up and attempted to leave when I was confronted and shouted at by a lady that I learned later was Sandra Wilson's adult daughter. This woman shouted “what are you doing here? My mother has a restraining order against you”. I informed this woman that I was an invited guest per the marquee outside and there could not be any such restraining order. Mrs Wilson and her husband came up, told their daughter to leave and began peppering me with questions. Also a man grabbed me by the shoulder and asked someone towards the front of the room "is this the one?". He was advised to get his hand off of me. I did not file a police report concerning unwanted touching or assault. Now the timeline of calls to the VCSO dispatchers log becomes important at this point. Ref. P113492156 Dispatchers log. 12/15/2011 time 20:08 Comment: MALE INTOXICATED 20:08 Comment: Not supposed to be there 20:08 Comment: Function going on 20:09 Comment: Mother has injunction against subject 20:09 Comment: She does not know his name At no point in time is anyone accused of causing a disturbance or harassing anyone. No one at anytime asked me to leave until a Deputy Geano motioned for me to come outside. At 20:11:20 which I was happy to do considering the hostile crowd I was dealing with. This is the THIRD time GCA people manipulated VCSO deputies against me based on the lies and exaggerations of their own mob mentality organization. This is how a citizen is treated because he opposes their non profit organization. Later a Deputy Yakel was convinced to trespass me by this hostile crowd of people from the entire Gateway Park. He did not Formally Trespass me at all and merely told me to get out of here and do not come back tonight. Obviously I had no plans to return that night. These people do not own Gateway Park yet they manipulated this young Deputy into a failed attempt to claim he FORMALLY trespassed me. This Deputy also accused me of smelling of alcohol from 20 feet away yet remained mute as I asked him to test me for any trace of it. The original call was for a MALE INTOXICATED. I got in my car and drove away in front of TWO VCSO Deputies after I had been accused of being drunk. ..why would Deputies let a drunk drive? Although I was never given a trespass warning and did not, did not sign anything telling me that if I returned I would be trespassing and thus arrested, I was arrested for trespassing on December 21 st. I now know I am legally barred from entering Debary's Gateway Park because of the lies and false statements of GCA personnel and their manipulation of VCSO Deputy Yakel. I am not allowed into “Gateway Park” as it states on the paperwork. Have you said, written, or perhaps whispered things against the GCA? Do you know that a police file hasn’t been filled out about you? I didn’t know it until I was approached and yelled at by GCA members, a hand put on my shoulder, was accused of smelling of alcohol then allowed to drive away, and then arrested for…trespassing. And now I am no longer allowed in a “public park”. Never once did I sign a “No trespassing” warrant. Mort Culligan Debary,Fl
From Norm: The first time I heard Mort speak was at the first meeting I attended in the spring of 2004. Mort is out there. Mort is direct, blunt, less than diplomatic and not afraid to speak his mind and disagree with the person he is talking to – who is also not afraid to share his or her point of view in their own manner. But I’ve never known Mort to be a liar. I’ve read all the corresponding paperwork associated with what Mort wrote above – it’s chilling reading. Mort was not arrested for assault or threatening gestures or words. He was not arrested for harassment. He was not arrested for being drunk and disorderly. He was arrested for trespassing yet he never signed a trespassing warrant. He had no knowledge that he would be trespassing if her returned to the Gateway Park and/or GCA. But let’s not tiptoe around the issue: Mort was arrested because he expressed his opinion. The two police reports were found to be..well…unfounded by an impartial third party: the police. This was payback. It’s really quite scary what Mort went through and is going through. Two police reports on file and Mort didn’t know about it. He was arrested. Mugshot. Court date. Fines. Money. Car towed. For trespassing. I know someone who was caught trespassing and they were given a trespassing waiver to sign; this never happened to Mort. Few people know that Mark Meister filed out a similar police report on me in August or September of 2009. Mr. Meister filled out the police report because I did not get emails to him that he had requested 9 days earlier. The interim City Manager at the time called me to tell me. Had she not done that, I guess I wouldn’t have known about it either. In a “gotcha” society, having a police report out there floating around could be the end to your job or a possible bid for elected office. Agree or disagree with Mort. Hate him, love him or be indifferent. After reading his account ask yourself: is this really DeBary? Yes, it is. What is going on with the Gateway Center for the Arts? Power. Money. Social snobbery? From December 15th to the 27th there were three calls to the VCSO concerning the GCA. Only one is listed in the reports online. The other two – concerning Mort and his arrest – are not online in the daily reports. Not even the arrest for trespassing. Why? Why? No sarcasm here or wit; I’ve been fresh out watching this terrifying story unfold. There truly is a dark side at work here in DeBary; I don’t expect anyone to express disapproval of it – and that is exactly why it will continue. It seems Mort Culligan can't be critical of an entity that exists because of taxpayer money from people like Mort. Next time a Council member talks about that great partnership and working relationship we have with the GCA remember it's contingent on just going along to come along. Don't question. Don't dissent. And whatever you do, don't bring up any facts. Lastly, of course, if you've done any of these things, you may want to check if a report has been filed about you. It appears the GCA does not want their legacy infringed upon...speaking of legacies...look below...
2/5: Citizens
The first request at Debary City Council meetings is a request by the Mayor to participate in an invocation. An invocation is by definition " an invoking of god for blessing help etc". Watch all the human sheep stand right up and participate, very few question anything because they are afraid to stray from the flock. The second request is to remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance to a FLAG. Again the human sheep flock to their feet in obedience few ever questioning the Pledge and what it really says The current Pledge is not even the original Pledge at all , the pledge was politically modified in 1954 to include the words UNDER GOD. I shall quote Dr John W Baer's THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE a SHORT HISTORY. " In 1954 Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'UNDER GOD' to the pledge. The pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer." The Pledge is actually false, it claims we are a Republic , then claims we are UNDER GOD, those two words UNDER GOD declare our nation a THEOCRACY. By stating the Pledge a citizen is tricked into stating our nation is a Theocracy , yet citizens sheepishly stand for this trickery. Our nation is not UNDER ALLAH.... and it is not UNDER any generic unidentified God either. In theory it is supposed to be WE the PEOPLE...not sheep under some political generic GOD. There are actually people that think saying the Pledge of Allegiance is PATRIOTIC! It is not because the pledge is full of False statements such as Under God, indivisable with liberty and justice for all. Flags are political tools used by governments, if you want to pledge allegience to a political tool...go ahead. There is nothing patriotic about Flag or God worship. We as Americans enjoy far more liberty and justice than the citizens of many nations and we can thank the Constitution and bill of rights for that, not any drooping piece of cloth such as a flag. I have no problem saluting the Constitution and bill of rights because they actually mean something and have value. The American flag is a political tool abused by politicians and all layers of government every day of the week. Our grand flag flys over our corrupt capitol as our serpentine politicians gut our children's future by borrowing to fund the American Illusion of wealth. Wave your flag and god at the fact that one day the USA will run out of credit and illusions, that day is approaching, are YOU ready? Morton C **********************************
A little note to those that think society is decaying because of gambling and ignore the truth that it is losing its core foundation, freedom of choice. I congratulate you on a victory that has stopped legal gambling in South Florida for another year. You should be proud and celebrate because this was accomplished by the help of two of the states powerful forces. The Seminole Indian Tribe and Walt Disney World. We all can imagine the reason behind the Seminole Indian Tribe because they obviously don t want competition. But Disney isn t quite as obvious and in fact is quite devious although its motives are the same. They dont want anyone passing up Disney World on its way to South Florida. Disney hides its greedy agenda by pretending to promotes f amily value . The fact is that Disney actually exploits children with their hidden attempt to line their pockets with more of the families money. How many ads does Disney run that targets grown ups? They target children and then expect the children to embarrass their parents into taking them to Disney World to eat $8.00 hamburgers. I find it ironic that their figure head is a mouse from the rodent family or is it a weakly disguised rat in a tux. It reaps huge profits by treating its employees terrible by promoting a family value image. If Disney really cared about the family value and the family image then maybe it would contribute some of it billions to the City of Orlando to help fight crime so every morning when I turn on the TV I dont have t o hear about another person being shot in Central Florida. That to me is a decaying society and there is no gambling in Orlando but plenty of decaying buildings. Bob the sky has fallen Waldor f
1/30: Uninformed citizens make stupid voters. That s right. Stupid. People now days are to lazy to investigate an issue and rely of the media to fill their minds and push them toward making a decision. Example. Tom has a business that takes money from older people who are already in financial trouble. If that was true everybody should be against Tom and I would agree. Unfortunately the media does not tell the entire story and it could be this. Tom has a business that charges people a small fee to help the recover losses from companies that lied to them or scammed them out of their money. He does not take a percentage and he helps everyone including the older seniors. Now Tom is not a bad person. See what I mean? So if you do not know the entire story, and you vote on what you have heard or what a friend has told you, then you may be one of the stupid voters. I personally am so tired of the candidates slinging mud at each other that I can not even remember what either one stands for. Therefore, because I want to make an intelligent vote, I have to spend some time doing research to find out the truth instead of taking the easy way out and listen to the TV or read the local slanted newspaper . So please, do not be a stupid voter but instead become an informed intelligent citizen that makes a wise decision. Study each candidate on your own and do not be lead into stupidity. Look out - common sense and logic is coming your way. Boy its fun to be back. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Is it or is it not true that there is to be a separation between church and state? How can a Deltona city commissioner, who is also a pastor, make that separation? Apparently he cannot. He is now forcing his moral belief's on the citizens of Deltona, Orange City and Debary, by trying to impose restrictions, and possible elimination, on a business that has been in Deltona before Deltona was even a city. Yes I am speaking of Dare Ware or The Adult Superstore or whatever name it has. I do not believe that government was ever suppose to tell us what we should and should not do or view if we are living in a free country as we tell the rest of the world that is what we are. Government should keep us safe and trying to decide what is morally safe is not within the scope of their ability. There are far more people being harmed driving down I-4 talking by others on their phones or texting, than there are that go into a store such as the one in question. So what is the problem? There is none but Fred Lowry thinks it is his position to make one. Children should have their moral compass decided at home not by a government. Adult businessmen (or women) do not cater to children unless it is a child business like Chucky Cheese. So please don't use children to try and convince us that you are doing your job of keeping us safe when the truth is your are using your position to impose your opinions on us all. That is not right. I have never been in that business but sure is nice to know that I have the freedom to go if I so choose. However I understand that freedom has it faults and one of them is tolerance. To be free you must tolerate others views and opinions and if you don't well then maybe you should go to a more restrictive country and leave the freedom lovers alone. I love it when people make statements about issues they know nothing about so they can look like they are doing something. Just remember..............sometimes it is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
Bob' The Sky is Falling' Waldorf Living in an "Image City''
1/25: Debary City webmaster Why does the City of Debary give FREE Advertising to Robert Rinaldo's Business at Gateway Park? Why can't the Winn Dixie store advertise their produce on your website? Does the City of Debary get a cut from all the money hustling that is going on at Gateway Park? Can any taxpaying business get free advertising from the City of Debary? Mr Robert Rinaldo is a political informant that informs on other citizens to the Volusia County Sheriff's Dept. So has Sandra Wilson founder of the Gateway Political Arts Fiasco. Have either of these citizens made false accusations against YOU to the VCSO...you do not actually know do you? Why does informant Robert Rinaldo's business getting free advertising...or does he actually pay the City of Debary?
At any rate the City of Debary should be more forthcoming about which businesses get advertising on their website.
There will be more political activity in Gateway Political Park on the 28th of January from 7 to 9 PM... nothing to do with arts at all....just the stench of local politics.
M Culligan Debary Fl
Debary is the IMAGE CITY
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Debary Citizens That is right FREE WINE will be served at Volusia County District 5 hopeful Dennis Mulder's Campaign kickoff in a Debary City Park. That is what this email says dated Jan 12 2011. All are invited, MULDER says on his Facebook page. Mr Mulder apparently wants homeless people and the poor to have free wine at his meet and greet, they can rub shoulders with the underhanded politicians and snobs that often frequent GCA events. This event will be held from 7 to 9 PM at the Gateway Center for the Arts INCORPORATED building. The GCA Inc is above paying taxes yet not above groveling for the taxpayers money through its friends in government from its FREE building.
Mr Mulder calls the GCA INC. building at 880 N hwy 17-92 the 'Debary Arts Center' in his invitation which shows his lack of attention to the fact that Gateway Center for the Arts INC. is a 501C3 Non Profit that pays no taxes much like Mr Mulder's own Deltona Tennis Association, The Learning Tree, The Premier Childcare network and many of the other businesses Mr Mulder has been involved in.
Mr Mark Harper staff writer of the Daytona Beach Journal has written several articles on Mr Mulder and what funds the Deltona Tennis association has recieved from the City of Deltona. I suggest reading the articles on Mr Mulder's tenure as Deltona Mayor you might even approve of what he did as Mayor of that town. A News journal article dated Dec 6 2011 claims that Mulder billed the City for 4 shots of Vodka after a business meeting. Ask Mr Mulder himself of all the mistakes he made as an elected official.
Mr Mulder claims in a News Journal article " She..Pat Northey has done a nice job" "if I get elected I am going to look to her and be on her phone a lot". Does this mean we will have another politician like Pat Northey that votes to give away taxpayer money to other 501 C3 organizations similiar to Gateway Center for the ARTS , Deltona Tennis Association or Team Volusia?
Pat Northey and the rest of the Volusia County Coucil just voted ANOTHER $250,000 to 501 C 6 non profit , non tax paying TEAM VOLUSIA INC. as another INSULT to the taxpayers of Volusia County, Fl. The Volusia County Coucil is considered to be an unguarded cash register by many that watch how the council throws away money. Pat Northey was on the board of directors of the Gateway Center for the ARTS another 501 C3 non taxpaying business that recieved millions from all levels of government. She treated the GCA INC quite well, look at her voting record. How will Dennis Mulder treat Gateway Center for the ARTS ...if he gets elected? How much more money will a 501C3 Tax exempt business founder vote to give other 501c3 and 501 c6 businesses? I do not know what he will owe the Gateway Political crowd do you? Research Non Profit organizations and their cash flow at TAXEXEMPTWORLD.com there are at least 50 of these money grubbing organizations in Debary alone. Millions of dollars in assets in Debary.... not bad for NON PROFIT Legal tax dodgers. So politicans can slither right in and meet Pat Northey's replacement at the Gateway Political/arts Center, then the next day you can attend church at the same political center. The Mulder Campaign promises FREE WINE but they should also provide FREE ANTI VENOM knowing some of the type people associated with GCA INC. I do not know how many homeless people , working poor or arrogant upscale snob politicians will show up to drink wine at Gateway on Jan 28th ..but just remember this that building was paid for by taxpayers and GCA INC is still getting government money and paying no taxes..just like Team Volusia and other 501C3 .C6 BUM Organizations. The Gateway Center for the Arts is considered by many to be a disgrace to the City of Debary as it fundraises, rents its building space and grounds, holds religious services and continues to BEG for taxpayer money from the Volusia Cultural Council. The founder of the GCA sits on the board for the Volusia Cultural Council...this cozy relationship is part of our GREAT CULTURE.
Visit Debary's political/economic/religious Gateway Park at 880 Hwy 17-92 ...it is actually listed as a real Park by the Debary Parks and Recreation Dept. A dept. that costs Debary taxpayers $2,200 a day every day.
Morton Culligan following the money in Debary,Fl
1/11: As someone who has had numerous publc discussions with Mort and has probably had some of his more direct/politically incorrect comments directed at my opinions I want you to know that I am with you on this one. I also know that you are able to handle this on your own. By the way, Mort is also able to take direct/politically incorrect comments directed back at him unlike some people. Keep adding to the public discourse in West Volusia. FROM MORT: WOW......I appreciate that....the more Rich agrees with me the better I like him. Rich and I have agreed to disagree on many subjects...but that is what freedom is suppossed to be about. We must all respect freedom of speech and freedom to dissent, we should all feel free to honor our country or criticise it as well. When we cannot feel free to do this.....we are in BIG trouble. The Debary POP website is actually a good thing for the community and I think who ever runs it is courageous and understands what freedom is really about. The Debary POP website is honest, compare it to the City of Debary newsletters which say NOTHING and aren't worth the paper they are written on. Thanks Morton C.....
12/19: I think enough time has been spent on bashing the holidays or trying to explain them. But lets not take our eye off the ball of something that will have a much more profound effect on our lives long after this holiday season. Politics. You got to love liberals. They have mastered the art of talking in ½ sentences. Most recent example is government stating that unemployment is down. Example as heard on the radio or TV. (Liberal part of sentence) : Jobless rate is down in November from October. (Rest of the sentence that they don't say): This does not include the people who have stopped looking for a job so that does not factor into the rate. It also does not allow for the part time holiday season workers. That would be the true and complete statement but then the facts would not look well for the liberals and that is why they have mastered the art of making ½ sentences and leaving out full statements. So let me give you some facts to think about during this upcoming election.
12/18: Thanks for the Christmas present from A.Remming on 12/17/2011.... especially the mention of the fictional works of Charlie Dickens. It brought me great joy and a couple of laughs. Fiction has a quality of its own as it dances with fact on the pages of many a classic fictional works such as " A tale of two cities ' ' A Chrstmas Carol ' Oliver Twist,' the Bible , the Koran or the US budget report. Charlie Dickens was born in 1812 a year that Europe was at war and I would love to see his face if he could see 2011 , as we celebrate the birth of Jesus ..... a man of peace, while we are still at war . AMEN and AMEN! Charlie also said was quoted as saying ' It was the best of times it was the worst of times' in his novel 'A tale of two cities' ......and it still is. Christmas is supposed to be a time of joy and happiness as our Christian built and financed Predator Drones and B52s deliver their presents of death to anyone suspected of being the enemy of our Peaceful Christian nation. Peace ...,we all claim to love it, but do we really? You claim I am anti this and anti that.... but forget that to be anti anything you have to be an advocate or for something else. Its called the law of opposites. Would JESUS celebrate Christmas in a time of war... would he show up for his own birthday? Would he be HAPPY as his Christian children in uniform attack and bomb peasants world wide? Would JESUS reveal our destructive body count as we claim the moral high road? This will never happen but it serves to point out that we are a nation constantly at war while celebrating and worshipping a man of PEACE. Let me quote an obscure american soldier "Peace is great, too bad there is no money in it". In my opinion all religion is fiction ....but it works because many want to live in fictional world and live in fear of a factual world. People often say they want Christ in their Christmas but what did Christ really stand for? Christ was a maverick scorned by the status quo humans of his times, if he showed up in Debary he would be arrested cuffed and stuffed into the Volusia County Slammer, Our saviour would have no ID or citizenship and would be dumped into a homeless shelter / insane asylum or deported to East Los Angeles aka hell. Gimmie an AMEN! Brother! They say JESUS saves...actually he does by the people that pay him the most intrest...currently charging 10%....tithing fee, Lots better than your saving account, he saves you but charges 10%.....no wonder he is joyus...10% OF A LOTTA MONEY IS A LOTTA MONEY. Gimmie another Amen....with cheese! Anyways I would like to wish all Muslims, Buddists, Jews and fantasy believers a Merry Christmas ,if they dare not have a Merry Christmas they risk being crushed under the power of our righteous military firepower in the name of our FREEDOM and our GOD. By the way....just for laughs I noticed a figurine replica Statue of Liberty at a garage sale...it had written on the base GOD BLESS AMERICA.....but on the bottom it had a sticker that said MADE in CHINA.......HO HO HO...... Merry Christmas......Joy and Peace to the world HO HO HO??? But wait there is more......gimmie an Amen! M. Culligan Debary.Fl The IMAGE CITY
12/17: Oh Mr. Culligan, how sad it is to infer from your computer epistles that you apparently have so little joy. As I read them, particularly the one of 12/6/2011, I can’t help but remember the writings of another man; Charles Dickens, in A Christmas Carol:
“ Merry Christmas! ... What's Christmas time to you but a time for paying bills without money; a time for finding yourself a year older, and not an hour richer; a time for balancing your books and having every item in 'em through a round dozen of months presented against you? If I would work my will ... every idiot who goes about with ‘Merry Christmas,’ on his lips, should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart.” Ahh, what clear and concise critical thinking that must warm your heart? Though not with much joy I’d presume. But there are other snippets to be gleaned from the same novella: “ I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round -- apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that -- as a good time: a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time: the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on their journeys.” Now there are some interesting thoughts to ponder.
"It is a fair, even-handed, noble adjustment of things, that while there is infection in disease and sorrow, there is nothing in the world so irresistibly contagious as laughter and good-humor." Now there, valued soul, is a bit of rationally educated deduction by Mr. Dickens.
I believe that it would be relatively easy to challenge your “anti” this, that, and the other things which pervade your postings – but that would not change your mind nor give you nor me any joy. So all I can really do for you, and the friends who asked me to write this, is say; May whatever festivities you and your family take part in this season, I wish that yours is a very joy-filled December and an even better New Year. And I will, with sincerity, add what Tiny Tim prayed at the Christmas dinner: "God bless us, every one!"
A. Remming DeBary
12/15: Well I guess the City is in a darn if you do and darn if you don't area political correctness. Yes, it is Merry Christmas to me, but we do have Jewish neighbors as well as Budist, Muslim, etc. Henry Tabor ************************* It would be nice if this man showed a little concern to DeBary residents. I'm taxed for storm water problems and no one at city hall will talk to me about it, but he gets a raise! I don't think he deserves that kind of money . Period! Give the residents a break... Rudy Wright
12/11: Dec 10 2011
Thanks for the reply Bob, I have never met you but I admire anyone that has a point of view and is not afraid to express it. Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all, but then again everyone has the right to an opinion, especially mine. I remember 1958 all us kids used to say the pledge of allegence to the flag every morning. My teacher took the flag from the pole for a whole week and we still said the pledge to an empty flag pole. At the end of the week he asked us why we said the pledge for 5 days and never questioned the fact that their was no flag. We replied because you said so, he replied that he wanted to show us that we were conditioned by himself and the other teachers not to question certain things. Our society conditions us to think certain things and we usually buy what they are selling because we are 'sheep thinkers' for the most part. I believe in critical thinking .......If you say, for instance, God Bless America I think which GOD specifically, what would his blessing accomplish, are we really arrogant enough to think he blesses this nation and dumps on others? The self proclaimed superpower USA is the most arrogant nation on the planet, no other nation comes even close. That is not an insult, that is a stone cold FACT. Take your Gods,Allahs,Yawehs..or whatever , they are all symbols that are used by people to manipulate other people. Remember my God is bigger, faster and better than your GOD and has more franchises than Mc Donald's. We kill in God's name just like the rest of the the bad guys, we just do it in a more organized and high tech fashion. Our government says ... SUPPORT THE TROOPS, actually we have NO choice whatsoever because it comes from our tax money, we will support the troops period because our government says so. The real message is.... support our latest WAR at the expense of our troops without thinking. The real enemy of our troops is our government because they are exporting them to a evil quagmire and actually trying to convince them they are fighting for FREEDOM? Did the terrorists or commies cause the collapse of 2008? No ...we did! Did the terrorists or commies cause our out of control spending and debt. NO... we did! Do the terrorists or commies cause our drug and alcohol problems.....No... we did! When you lock your car or house you are locking it from Americans...we are 1000 times the enemy the Terrorists or commies are. Our government is a disgrace, because a democracy is only as good as the people in it. Look at the losers we elect....just look at em. They are IMAGES, if any candidate ever told the truth his brain would explode and they would have ZERO chance of being elected to anything because the American people are living a lie. Our politicians know EXACTLY what we want to hear and feed us our own CRAP illusions about ourselves. then on Sundays the preist and preachers do the same damn thing. For the most part the American people are soft victims or their own past success and will be faced with the crushing consequences of our recent failures. We have the government we deserve, it is a pack of lies, yet it is still better than many others. No ..the sky is not falling......it is too full of spy sattelites, bombers, missles and pollution for that. But there is hope , as we look for our enemy, current population... seven billion. M Culligan Debary Fl. The Image City 12/10: Wow Mort you cut right to the quick. No sugar coating for you. My point, in case you missed it, was that having gambling is not going to create a decaying society. Yes I am still hung up on those that attack the messenger and run away from facts. I guess my, self appointed, mission is to educate the unknowing and enlighten them with facts. However the way you put it makes me seem like a pussy cat. Because of you, Rich, Shirley, and others that have written me, (or about me), I am going to start my online radio show again in February. Then maybe you can call in and we can find out what you really think??? Bob the sky IS falling Waldorf
12/7: 12/6/2011
Taking Christ out of Christmas?.....you have to be kidding me! Come on Bob, what is Christian about Christmas? Christmas is a annual display of materialism and pomp that has little to do with religion and everything to do with economics. What would the real Jesus think of the celebration of his alleged immaculate birthday 2000 years after the fact? If Jesus were the man he was supposed to be, what would he think of the City of Debary's $10,250 FAKE christmas tree? What would he think of all the money wasted on this pompus religious celebration? Would Jesus rather have had that money been given to the poor instead of being wasted on the municipal farce of a fake Christmas tree? I would have had more respect for the City of Debary if they would have given the money to a legitimate charity like the Salvation Army or an Animal Shelter. What would the real Jesus think about all the wars and explotation started in his name as we 'claim' to have his GOD on our side. If God does Bless America why do we need nuclear bombs, submarines and helicopter gunships , are these doomsday weapons a gift from GOD? These are tools of world domination and revenge there is nothing remotely christian about them. The greatest threat to national security comes from our governments destructive spending not from a hand full of primitive tribes in the mideast. The USA is not a Christian nation at all .....but GOD always comes in handy when you are seeking justification. Allah, Big Foot, Jehovah,Jesus,God and Rambo are all man's silly fantasies and none belong in our schools. What is the opposite of religion BOB? ....It is called Science , Physics, Chemistry ,Statistics and provable FACTS. Religion is actually a form of politics, tell em what they wanna hear and pass the plate. Religion can be a good thing but it can also be dangerous, just ask the Taliban or our American super-heroes which both claim God/Allah supports their mutual butchery We talk of America's "core values" ..... Here are our core values...Entertainment, Materialism , Greed and DEBT there are***some*** of America's core values. That is right , you will never hear that from a politician because they live in a world of lies ...called politics. The American people have no enemy greater than themselves from the shoplifters and theives on main street to the mega criminals in government and Wall/GREED Street. What do our children have to look up to...BOB? They know we are a morally and economically bankrupt nation. They know we talk of Peace as we glamorize war, we talk of wealth as we wallow in debt. We talk of GOOD as we ignore our own evil and amplify the evil of others. The vast majority of our elected representatives claim to be Christian , if that is true why are they destroying the economic hopes for future generations with DEBT? Why are we borrowing from the future of our children to fund the folly of today? We are a generation that has turned its back on our own children by spending money we do not have or deserve.
" We the Sheeple people".... and God is our Shepard? Pray all ya want , wave the flag all ya want as the future devours the present and becomes the past. The past does not equal the present or the future....put that FACT under your Christmas tree. Of what value is the truth and fact as it collides with religious fantasy and myth? Americans need to GROW UP and quit living in the past. Merry Christmas HO, HO ,HO....hey, someone please tell Santa Claus about the no-fly zone over Washington DC, I would hate to see all my presents and reindeer blown up by a surface to air missle in the name of National Security and FREEDOM! M Culligan Debary, Fl. 'The Image City'
12/3: For those of you that are concerned about a decaying society I would like to inform you of the following. After reading in the paper that Mayor Garcia was quoted as saying '' no body wants to invest in this economy' and he voted against new business in Debary, I could not help but think how much our society has 'decayed' because lying politicians have become acceptable as long as they lie in favor of someone's personal agenda. And yet those same people who speak of decay will ignore the hypocrisy in that statement. That being said I thought of the following. We have turned into a society that money in more important that common courtesy or common sense. People are not getting married because it is acceptable just to live together. Parents have been stripped of their ability to discipline their children without government intervention. Pregnancy out of web lock is accepted and glamorized on TV News media state their opinion as much as they report 'real news'. Gotcha reporting is the new norm and there are a lot of people that cannot understand the difference between the two. We are more concerned about what our candidates, both local and national, have done years ago than we are what they stand for now. Government just makes statements that people want to hear and then does just exactly what it wants even if it means the opposite of what it says. (Mayor Garcia comes to mind) We are taking 'Christ' out of Christmas and prayer out of school. We restrict when and where we can display our flag and some places we cannot display it at all. We have totally replaced our countries fundamental core values so we can be 'politically correct'. We hold our local neighbors to a higher standard than we ourselves live by (think about that one). The list could go on and on. So I ask you, before you start voicing your opinion in order to prevent problems and stop decay, consider the problem and make sure you are not part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
Bob 'the sky if falling' Waldorf Remember it is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are foolish than to open it and remove all doubt. From NORM: In 2005 philosopher Harry Frankfurt , a professor emeritus of philosophy at Princeton University and who previously taught at Yale, published a nonfiction bestseller, that spent twenty-seven weeks on the New York Times Bestseller list. The title of the book: On Bullshit. Frankfurt claims on page 61 of this book that, "...bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.” Why? Because while the liar deliberately makes false claims, the bullshitter is simply uninterested in the truth. A statement made by a bullshitter is grounded neither in a belief that it is true nor, as a lie must be, in a belief that it is not true. It is just this lack of connection to a concern with truth – this indifference to how things really are – that Frankfurt regards as the very essence of bullshit. Bullshitters aim primarily to impress and persuade their audiences. What he cares about is what people think of him. He wants them to think of him as someone with deep thoughts. Frankfurt ends his book by explaining that bullshit is unavoidable whenever circumstances require someone to talk without knowing what he is talking about. Thus the production of bullshit is stimulated whenever a person’s obligations or opportunities to speak about some topic exceed his knowledge of the facts that are relevant to that topic. This discrepancy is common in public life or running for office. From the Council meeting on 11/21/11: Time Stamp: 2:09:03: Mayor Garcia: “In the next six months, DeBary will be a national word out of people’s mouths. I guarantee you that."
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Thanks BOB Waldorf.
You gave me some new material to write about. The GOP debate circus ....and a circus it is. Ya gotta love Rick Perry of Texas he claims........." the current administration has been an absolute failure when it comes to supporting the CIA and Military Intelligence in their efforts to prevent the next attack on US soil". Maybe he forgot the facts, not that he is forgetful ...DUH! This guy is running for President? Now the FACTS; The US spent $54.6 billion for non- military Intel programs in fiscal 2011 according to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. PLUS the Pentagon got another $24 billion for military Intelligence for a total of $78.6 BILLION. A billion is $78 thousand million dollars...for basically.. spying.......Why don't we pay the bad guys $50 thousand a year each to spy on themselves? We have 17 US Intelligence Agencies, that we admit to ..... and still did not discover the 9/11/01 plot or predict the Arab Spring. What do these US Intel Agencies do ....SPY ...on each other? CIA, FBI, NSA ,Secret Service.....no ....we are not paranoid just ask any of our 17 spy agencies as they gather intelligence on the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. The US military empire has approx. 700 military installlations around the world...plus spy satellites, spy planes. ships...we even have people to gather intelligence on our spies We have pilotless drone reconassance aircraft directing missles from armed drone aircraft and still blow up and kill our friends as we KIA 24 or so Pakistani soldiers last week. We at least our courageous drone jockeys did not kill any reporters or women and children this time in the name of FREEDOM. Remember the USA has Santa Claus under survellence we are getting lots of tips from those elves about his leftist ideology. If Santa Claus trys to violate the airspace around the Pentagon his reindeer will get a missle right through their leftist /commie antlers. God Bless America......he better....we have him under survellence as well! Morton C Debary Fl. The Image City
11/26: If you have been watching the GOP debates you will notice a common theme. The theme is the candidates realize that people are unhappy with government and big business. I have been saying that for months and got the nick name 'the sky is falling' because of it. That is perfectly fine with me if it will get more folks to pay attention to what is going on in national politics. National politics have a trickle down affect on local regulations and is one of the reason I pay attention to both. That being said I find it very interesting what I just heard on ''Slant TV''. Slant TV is my new nick name for NBC. Slant TV will go out of its way to report negative, slanderous information mostly on people, sometimes business, as long as it is not against its union base cronies. The way they ask questions cannot get anything but a detrimental response from the person being interviewed about the person being attacked. In my opinion they have become the "National Enquirer'' of video media. That being said I found it interesting that Slant TV had a story about Black Friday. They interviewed an executive from Best Buy and one of the question he was asked was 'do you think that we are getting away from family values by opening stores on Thanksgiving and so early on Friday morning'. His response was NO he did not think that because they only open as consumers dictate. Unreal. Slant TV did not challenge that but I surely do. Because I believe that big government and big business are motivated by greed and compassion, reason and logic are non existent, I believe that one day one of the big retailers decided he could get a jump on competition and decided to open early on Thanksgiving or Black Friday or both. Of course retailer number two had to open before retailer number one, and then three before two etc. So please do not buy into the deceit being thrown about that business is consumer motivated because it is definitely greed motivated. If you really want to hold on to the family value don't shop until mid Friday. If I am wrong tell me one business, other than the Chicky franchise, that cares about employees and / or consumers. Enjoy the video. Bob Waldorf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjqy2lJ5yoU
11/25: 11/24/2011
Thanksgiving ??? Well I bet those Indians sure regret helping out the Pilgrims. They lost their land, freedom, lives ...that is what they get for helping out European religious zealots and invaders. European invaders claimed God Blessed them as they stole your land, crushed your culture and destroyed your whole civilization. Now their ancestors stuff their fat faces with turkey and watch football ....Cowboys vs Redskins....oh well. As far as our troops defending FREEDOM.....I do not buy it. They are invading and occupying foreign countries and will be defeated by the folly of their own efforts. When will our revenge and paranoia be satisfied...who knows? The US Military Empire is out of control and all this talk about our Alleged heroes protecting our freedom by invasions and bombings is ridiculous, we have accomplished nothing with our latest wars except Death, Debt and Ugly Revenge. Americans claim to love their children as their corrupt government sends them to a war that can NEVER be won in the long run. Every penny for our disasterous wars has been borrowed from the future......yet we claim we are heroic as we destroy the economic future for our CHILDREN thru borrowing from THEIR future. Our ancestors would be proud as we are still invading and attempting to destroy other cultures and countries...in the name of FREEDOM. I noticed someone rummaging through my recycle/garbage the other day for aluminum cans ..he was free, just as free as the human billboards on the streets advertising to buy Gold. This person was an American enjoying freedom as our government spends $2 billion per week on a war we are destined to lose. The American people seem to have no idea what these wars are really costing us as we defeat ourselves and wallow in our own arrogance, self deception and ugly revenge. Who would Jesus BOMB? Why would GOD Bless America? We shall stuff our fat faces with Turkey and Dressing and call our nation great....it is ...,but for how long? Morton C. Debary,Fl The IMAGE CITY
11/23: HAPPY THANKSGIVING to everyone in Debary and around the country. While we spend this time with family and friends let s be thankful and not forget how many cannot do that because they are protecting our freedom in some distant country. The freedom of cho ice, the freedom to say what is on our mind, the freedom to move about as we choose, all are freedoms we should respect and treasure. So in this time of being thankful I wish to acknowledge all those that take part in our local political climate and say thank you. While we may not always agree I am very thankful that we have the freedom to disagree.
************************** Hey Mort, my NIMBY friend.
11/22: Mr. Waldorf, in response to your question as to when I was in Australia (as if its any of your business or even relevant), the first time was in 1986 and the last time was in 2007 when I went to see a friend who was terminally ill. The Aussies are experiencing the exact same thing we are right now with taxes, high price of oil, immigration problems and corruption in politics. The United States is not the only country in the world people are trying to get in to! Australia used to have a very strict immigration policy, but no more, and believe me they are not happy about illegals any more than we are. But, I suppose now that Ive said that, you are going to make me sound like some kind of monster who doesnt want to help the under privileged. the rest. Shirley Horchler On Nov. 14, 2011 the Daytona Beach News journal reported on something that should have found that FLORIDIANS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC MEETINGS!!! Pardon the caps but this does not bode well and we, as a voting public, need to make it very very clear to our state representatives along with county and city councils that should they adopt such a tactic...they will be voted out of office PDQ! "listen to the people" platform) asked if "THEY HAD TO LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK?"!!! 11/17/11 Well Rich Gailey , the more you write in, the more you reveal how you are living in the past. You are a Damn Proud American....why.....that is right ..... why? Proud of what we were, or what we have become? You claim I an anti American....wrong again , I am anti American Illusion and Anti American ARROGANCE , The USA is an ex -rich nation living on CREDIT, we borrow money from Communist China and any other nation that is foolish enough to keep us afloat. The fact of the matter is the USA is a corrupt Socialist nation borrowing from a Commie/Capitalist nation that is better at Capitalism than we are. Are you proud of our corrupt government leaders as they lick the boots of The Saudis for more oil, or the Chinese for more credit? That is what we do , beg, bully and borrow from the rest of the world as we brandish our dangerous military machine. Are you proud of our corrupt nation as it starts wars and fights wars with money it does not have? We have our troops in 160 foreign countries.....why RICH... who appointed us the world police? We cannot even guard our own borders properly , we cannot even control our own corruption and greed.....You Proud of that RICH? Our nation will spend roughly $455 BILLION just on the intrest on our debt for this year alone. Guess what RICH...where are we going to get the money? You guessed it we are going to borrow more. That is how RICH we are RICH...we are rich in ILLUSIONS and RICH on living in the past. Sure there are many countries that are poorer than we are ......but where are WE headed? More DEBT, more WAR....we are headed into a situation that will make the great depression look like a picnic. When gas is $6.50 per gallon and milk is $5.50 per gallon.. what will food be, can we eat American FLAGS that are made in China? Can we eat $8 billion dollar Aircraft Carriers and $2.5 billion dollar Stealth Bombers? When the value of the dollar dips passed a certain point people are going to quit going to work... then what RICH? Can we pay our bills with American PRIDE? Can we? Americans are living in the past.....WW2 is over...we have been patting ourselves on the back for 60 years now RICH. Enough is enough...just look at what we have become, and we have no one to blame but ourselves. The game is up, we are running out of credit, lies and illusions.....so wave the flag all ya want. Just keep waving that FLAG as we borrow, bully, beg and bomb...just keep waving that flag. Wave the flag at the $102 a barrel price of oil go ahead.... our money is becoming more and more worthless....because we are out of illusions about the 'rich' USA But we can look on the bright side Rich.....We are still better than North Korea or Somalia...for now anyway. Look into the future Rich....it is the only thing we have. Hey RICH ..ya got any GOLD to SELL? Okay maybe silver... copper, aluminum? Have you checked your air conditioning unit lately, is it still there? Morton Culligan Debary, Fl The Image City 11/19: This letter is addressed to Mr. Gailey. I have read debarypop for quite awhile but I have never seen the name calling that you have done recently to Morton C and Bob Waldorf. You even go so far as to use cuss words at the end of your letter. I believe that is uncalled for to get an letter across. To answer your question why people are trying to get into this country it is simple. No other country in the world gives so much to the ones that don't deserve it. ************************** Response to Rich. You stated in your post that you needed to catch up. Hmmmm.... I posted about banks and foreclosures, I posted about social decay, I posted about 'business tax generating revenue', I posted about me personally talking to people who live next to 'evil tax generators' (Race Trac) and all you can come up with is calling me names and attacking my character. Calling me a 'big spender' so you can attach BS to my name is like the pot calling the kettle black. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND CITIZEN MONEY I WANT NEW BUSINESS TAX REVENE............as always (with people that spell tomato with an 'o') if you can not intelligently attack the message you attack the 'messenger'. Ignore the facts!! You in turn want to restrict business growth which will mean tax increases eventually so who is the big spender. I really don't even understand how you think that of me and figure it was just a way to attach BS to my name. Funny. I am so glad that my past of 20 some years is the only thing you can bring up to try and dispute my facts. To set the record (what record I don't know) straight I moved here because I could get more value for my dollar (wow what a concept) I also was told it was a fast growing area (wrong) and I thought it would be a nice suburb to live in and everything my family needed would be right here at our finger tips. That was what made this an attractive area to buy and live in. Why did you buy your house here in 1981 after I-4 had been completed? Did you not know that business would build close to I-4? The fact is Rich, you ignored that I live next to commercial businesses (stated in one of my post). Your friend Shirley states she has friends in Australia that say people there 'absolutely love Americans' but when was she there? On top of that she chose to ignore my challenge because she had no factual response. My son is there now!!! Why would I say what I said if it was not true??? Is that another attach by doubting my honesty? I DO NOT MAKE FALSE STATEMENTS. Do you? Since March of this year my son has been to Brisbane, Perth, Darwin, Sydney and will be leaving Melbourne to fly home. For the skeptics check it out www.toddwaldorf.com He has spoken to many many people and not just friendly neighbors. Actually my son says he hasn't really met many American there but 'the people' he has met don't like Americans. As far as the Euro's getting off the nipple how about us just stop handing out the money. Wow what a concept (from a big spender). You two are so funny about gambling, adult entertainment etc. The sad part is that is the only thing you can come up with to dispute the facts I stated is to attack me or call me names. That is what most do when they can't debate with FACTS!!! Rich, you also ignored that I went to the Race Trac in Apopka and the one in Orange City and spoke to the residents. If you doubt that what they told me lets you and I get in a car and go do it again. You pick the time and date. I also noticed that you ignored the facts about Gulfstream Casino Horse Track in South Florida. (I spoke to a Major for the road patrol at 954-457-1400) Granted, we can wait and wait and wait for new business but how long should one plan on waiting?. I think it is really nice that you know of contracts pending on the property we are talking about but you are still ignoring how much tax money would be generated for the city between your 'new business' and 'my new business' - for lack of a better term. You speak of low paying jobs. That is funny. My doctors nurse of 25 years makes $14.00 per hour. How many nurses does a doctors office have? Is that your idea of high paying jobs? You are not thinking of the benefit to the entire city only, what you think, will be the affect on your area. My house has dropped in value and I am not happy with that but I know one of the things that would bring it back is NEW BUSINESS which would bring new residences and fill up the abandon properties. Really is that a bad idea?? Here again you want 'me' to wait because of what you want. So unless you can come up with facts to dispute my facts then we cannot have a solid debate. Sorry........you lose. My point stands because you have not given any facts to the contrary and the best you can do is bring up my past can call me names. How sad. BS = Better Statistics - Bob ("the sky is falling'' ) Waldorf an image city (thank you Mort Psst. Stop the name calling your better than that. *********************************************** I don't read debarypop very often and I have never sent an email. But when my son is even mentioned in this garbage I must speak up. I have been married to Bob Waldorf for over 30 years. We have one son Todd. My husband has always been a good provider and a great father. Our son graduated Lake Mary High, went to Seminole Community College and then to Full Sail where he graduated valedictorian. He made movies in Louisiana and after Katrina came back and went to Stetson where is graduated a 2 year course in 18 months. He does not hang around with trash and Mr. Gailey should be ashamed of himself for even making such statements. He is not a kid and I will not let him be insulted by people in this area that don't even know him like Mr. Rich Gailey has done. I would never parade by son into a political meeting to promote my agenda like Mr. Gailey has done with his daughters. I would never disrespect him or his family like he has done to mine. I can only pray that Mr. Gaileys children turn out half as good as my son and make it known that owning an adult establishment has nothing to do with character or parenting. Anyone that thinks that is very naive, unknowing and foolish. I feel very sorry for Mr. Rich Gailey because all he can do is talk about my husband and a bar he owned for 5 years out of his 65 years on this planet. So I ask you Mr. Gailey, don't ever disrepect or talk about my son again. It is fine to debate opinions but name calling is childish and not adult. If you cannot keep it civil and debate opinions then you need to shut this sight down right now. Period Deborah Waldorf
11/17: BS Bob, about 20 of yours and I see another post. I will give your post on 11/13, your son and your anti-American friend Mort a easy response to Euro trash and any other foriegn country that doesn't like Americans - GET OFF THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER NIPPLE. They are like unruly teenagers who think they know more than their parents because they finally got a little freedom in their life, but deep down in side they know they have to rely on mama and daddy to keep a roof over their heads, feed them and bail them out every every time they get in over their head. See WWII, Terrorism fight, Euro Bank bailout of '08, and the current PIIGS (perfect acronym) countries of the EURO ZONE. Hey BSB, who do you think is the UN, World Bank, IMF? ANS. the US TAXPAYER!!! Why do you think all the collectivists in the world want us to nation build after we kick a evil, tyrannical government out of power in a week? "Yes a week, maybe it would take 2 for China? And they all know that is how fast we can take them out of power". Back to my question - they use this nation-building CRAP to expand the money supply to devalue the dollar to bring us down to their level. Are we perfect? No! But we are better than anywhere else in this world. Tell your kid to quit hanging around whiny Aussies/Euro trash and stick his chest and be proud that the only reason the rest of the world speaks their native tongue is because of the USA. We still have more people trying to get into this country than any other country in the world. Why is that? ************************* 11/16 /11
Oh... now we are debating social decay and come up with Adult Entertainment as an example. LMAO...are you serious? Grow up Shirley...your moral compass is broken. Well at least the Gambling & Adult Entertainment Industry can support itself without begging to the government and citizens like the ARTS Community and the Faith Community. Debary wants to talk about decadence... how about our Gateway Arts Center that got a FREE mulitimillion dollar building from the taxpayers from begging and manipulating government money. That same parasite organization also gets FREE RENT as part of our ridiculous park system It collects RENT and FEES and never shares a penny with anyone other than its own greedy decadent organization. What is a Christian Church doing operataing for FREE in our City Park? Churches and other religious BUSINESSES never pay taxes........they just sell phony interpretations from the bible from the local Jesus Hustlers and 21st Century Witch Doctors. Adult Entertainment businesses are legitimate tax paying businesses that do not depend on government handouts and free rent like the bum ARTS Community or tax exempt Religious hustlers. Sex between two adults is what got us upon this earth, it is not DIRTY, it is reality. Our preposterous Faith Community can be as Dishonest about it as they want to be, sex is the starting line for life on earth and it is not dirty or immoral. Sorry Shirley , I never had a subscription to the ressurection or immaculate DECEPTION, I do not listen to old ladies and preachers and their worthless phony moral issues. The USA is a degenerate nation and it is boiling in its own debt and illusions about its morality and military misadventures. If we were a peaceful nation we would not be BROKE and at war constantly. But for the simple minded, we can blame it on Gambling and Adult Entertainment as we borrow and bomb our way into a chaos and bankruptcy. Morton C. Debary, Fl the IMAGE CITY
11/16: Is a lack of moral and ethical values! It doesn't get any clearer than that. Adult entertainment establishments are perfect examples of social decay. I would also like to comment on your son's visit to Australia and his "biggest problem overcoming being American." I have been to Australia twice, have very dear friends that live there, and I know for a fact that Australians absolutely love Americans, and feel that we are kindred spirits. Granted a lot of Europeans think Americans are silly, but Australia is not part of Europe. Shirley Horchler 11/15: Big Spending Bob (BS BOB) or the other multi-faceted meanings of BS you spew I just wanted to update BS Bob that while you are scouring the city of DeBary doing independent polling of all minimum wage people for your scientific study methods to support any hair-brained point you want to make in your pursuit of finding more ways to spend tax payer money. Regarding BS Bobs fettish for mega-gas stations - Rumor has it that a real estate firm just bought one of the parcels of land Race Trac was considering while the 2 other parcels are under contract. BS Bob, how many professional service companies in your scientific study models open businesses next to mega Race Trac gas stations? The only business that would be willing to open next to gas station is your former profession. I have to tell you BS Bob I am always on the edge of my seat when YOU give us a lecture on what TAXES are generated by business with your vast experience in this area. Imagine all of the opportunity created by a real estate office that allows sales people to earn as much money as they choose and spend in the community they live or the Dr. who ended up buying property on the Deltona side of the road. BS Bob, which council members led Race Trac to keep the properties under contract and off the market because this council would be more sympathetic to their plight than the prior council? I wonder if that Dr. would have preferred to be on the professional office side of the road? When citizens property rights and vision with prior councils are respected local communities benefit. Maybe one day we will have a council or EDC that actually has a Vision for DeBary and can come up with new ideas as opposed to bringing up and rehashing already decided on issues from prior councils at tax payer expense. Who was it that suggested these guys meet twice a month, we need to change it to twice a year. How come the more govt. officials meet the more the tax-payer gets bilked? I know BS Bob that you are disappointed that ! paying public would have to make up the difference in the living wage for these employees in the form of more food stamps, free school lunches, welfare, Medicaid etc., etc., etc. that could be said that would take away from decent public decorum. It is almost like you do not have a mirror in your house. Why did you not buy a house in Fern Park/Casselberry , or Daytona Beach, Miramar, Atlantic City, etc.? All of these places are the prostitution and drug capitals of their respective areas, and you know this. Why did you and everyone else move to DeBary? Did you decide that this was going to be a great place to get in on the ground floor of a future Gambling Mecca? Or, are you one of the stooges who believe that adult entertainment will be the savior of our community just like it was in all of the prior named communities? If those businesses are so great why have they spent 10s of millions of dollar s to remove those businesses from you prior area? The local politicians approved the businesses and the tax payer has to pay the money to remove. I wonder what the economic times were like when all the local councils in those communities approved adult entertainment? country, raised their families by working (not living with/off their mamas) are not the kind of councilmen that BS Bob wants to represent our community. to only live and spend my money in DeBary - just like the people you do not want on the council
11/13: Mort. Let me tell you that as sad as it is my son's biggest problem when he meets people in Australia is to over come being an American. How sad. But here is a fact. European think we are nasty, aggressive people and my son has to convince them that he is not like that. People everywhere are friendly and have compassion to each other. They have convictions and do not change their 'core values' to be politically correct to please everyone who comes into their country. If we really wanted to be a leader in the world we would be leading peace but like you said.. .there is no money in peace and money is what this country is ALL ABOUT - MONEY. Mort as much as it hurts what you said is 'basically' true and that is sad. Here again we are not looking at the big picture and choose to believe what the news media says and if you think they are telling the truth let me tell you where to meet Santa. Bob Waldorf **************************** Norm. I must admit I did not take a family head count so I give you that one about CM Carson 'however' you cannot disagree about the part of my explanation about working in the current climate. Don't you feel you have a better understanding of todays economy than some that are not working in it today? Don't you feel your tax money is being 'given' to people that don't deserve it but government has made it easier to get 'free money' than accept the responsibility of working for it? Don't you feel that your voice, common sense AND logic is being ignored by government? Can you really say that teachers are being treated properly???? That to me is a decaying society more than forcing one's moral conviction on others. That is refusing to acknowledge the big picture as you did by pointing out, to me, about the Carson family. Point out one small issue and maybe the big problems will go away or take care of themselves. Ignorance is bliss. Bob Waldorf
11/12: I have lived on Bougainvillea Drive for the past 15years. maintenance of Lake Susan over the past 3 years. It was indeed sprayed 2 (two) times. I'm still waiting for the third spraying. Not done yet. responsible for implementing them. pond, either way it needs to be cleaned up. Marcia Alley ****************************************** Shirley. It is not my intention to debate with you but your last post has been eating at me. The one about the decaying society. I really believe that people just say things without facts so I, like JB did to me, am asking you to clarify how restricting freedom prevents a society from decay. I will tell you what I think makes up a decaying society and none of it has to do with restricting growth, freedom or business. Our society has decayed because we glamorize celebrities who have children out of wed lock and publish it on TV and print for all our children to read and see decaying our basic moral fiber. Our society has decayed because our teachers are treated with disrespect by both students and parents and they cannot do a thing about it. Our society has decayed because our politicians don't live by the same standard they 'force' on us and they make bold face lies and promises only to get elected Our society has decayed because morals, courtesy and general kindness to your fellow man is non existent. Our society has decayed because corporations have become so greedy that they treat us 'the consumer' terrible and unimportant. it handles prescription medication (donut hole) The list could go on and on. That to me is a decaying society and I just can't accept that we ignore those issues and then have statements like yours that gambling is the cause of a decaying society. One of us has our priorities back ward. So please Shirley, explain to me your idea of a 'decaying society'. Decay: imperfection, adversity, or dissolution; to waste away; to decline; to fail; to become weak, corrupt, or disintegrated; to rot; to perish; as, a tree decays; fortunes decay; hopes decay. Bob Waldorf
****************************** Debary POP came out with the usual Vets Day B/S line of crap. How about this.... we have another veterans day......we must wave the flag and pretend that all of our veterans are heroes. Well to tell you the truth they are not. Many have done courageous acts, no doubt, but some have raped and murdered innocent people in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, etc.They are sometimes just as heartless and vicious as any other invading and occupying army can be. To claim that all of our troops are all heroes is simply false, to claim they are defending freedom is false as well. Our freedom was never threatened by the Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis or the people of Afghanistan. Al Queda is not Afghanistan or IRAQ it is a tiny terror cell that got lucky once on 9/11/01. Our troops are functioning as a world police force and not once did the citizens of this country EVER get to vote on it. Our government has NO intrest in Peace at all, because there is no money in Peace. These wars are a corporate raid on the US Treasury in the name of defense and freedom. Freedom was never attacked to say so is simply untrue. WAR has become big business and business is good. What type of courage does it take to bomb people from 30,000 feet? What type of courage does it take to wipe out whole villages because they might harbor an enemy in a country we INVADED. What type of courage does it take to fire missles from an unmanned aircraft into a village because we think there might be bad guys there. What if someone elses Drones were blowing up houses in Debary from a base in China....would they be GOOD GUYS? They use low tech terrorism , we use high tech terrorism and we are losing big time because time and expense is grinding our economy to pieces. Our military has napalmed, carpet bombed, nuked and used chemical warfare that is a historical fact .....how much of that is heroic....who knows. Our nation always rationalizes its attacks and spins its evil into good, as if we are always the good guys...we are not always. The tragic attacks of 9/11/01 were minor compared to some of our attacks. The innocent people that died that day were no more innocent that the hundreds of thousands our military has slaughtered. I am just trying to be truthful ,not a mindless government stooge that cannot see what we really are. The Veterans day article in Debary POP claims our veterans and military represent sanity in an insane world. Nothing could be further from the truth as they have invaded or bombed ,on orders from our corrupt insane government how many countries ? Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lybia, Lebadon, Bosnia, Vietnam, Cambodia,Laos etc. The fact is we invade and bomb whatever nation we choose under any circumstances we want. Then we cover up and down play all the people we kill and call it collateral damage. Many of our troops are government trained killers, not boyscouts ....that is the truth. Our military is a platinum plated economic disaster for the taxpayers and cannot even guard our own borders as was proved on 9/11/01 and every day at the Mexican border. We have troops stationed worldwide in over 160 countries because our arrogant and corrupt government says so. Yes many veterans may have sacrificed , many have done heroic deeds but to say they are all heroes is ridiculous. To say our international invasions are protecting our freedom is false, these invasions and occupations are hurting us far worse than any enemy. We are spending $2 billion a week or so on Afghanistan and have been there for over 10 years, we have ZERO Chance of anything even resembling victory. It does not matter one bit how courageious our troops are...we will still be outlasted and defeated by the folly of our own actions. We claim GOD BLESSES AMERICA...sure , I suppose all other nations must sit in the back of the bus. If God Blesses america then he blesses our $15 trillion debt our overflowing prisons, drug addicts, unwarrented invasions, government / corporate corruption and the like. Perhaps YOUR GOD would bless America if we would withdraw our FANGS from the rest of the world and quit profiteering from our constant war mongering and invasions. God Bless America....perhaps, but how about GOD HELP AMERICA wake up to the fact that we are our own worst enemy Waving the flag and building memorials means NOTHING as we continue our self defeating actions and military madness. If the people of Debary want to do something patriotic I have a suggestion. Follow the hundreds of billions in borrowed money that goes to our Pentagon.... see where it goes as most never even leaves this country at all. That is why our wars last 10 years a pop, why should our military machine spoil a perfectly good war with victory. The greatest enemy the USA faces is not a handful of idiot terrorists..it is ourselves as we try to dominate and control the world on borrowed money and false flag /god worship. Yes we need a military for DEFENSE, not for world dominion. We are not always the good guys and our troops and vets are not always heroes. The USA has plenty of blood on its hands, that is a historical fact not an political illusion. Morton C.
Debary, Fl ' the IMAGE CITY'
11/9: Was reading the online Beacon and the following caught my eye. rest of em. Needless to say, we all need to pay more attention as to what is going on behind the scenes in DeBary. Martin located two male subjects in the same stall in the men's bathroom. Deputy Gonzalez and Deputy Martin observed the male subjects were acting suspicious and also noticed the restroom was empty other than them. After further investigation, both subjects were arrested for possession of cocaine. ***(I removed the names of arrested, they are listed in original report)*** parking lot on the north side of the building investigating the disturbance, gunfire erupted in the parking lot on the south side of the building near Granada Rd. Deputies immediately went to the south lot. No victims, witnesses, or damage were found. Five spent casings (.45 automatic) were found in the parking lot. Employees believe two to three black males driving a white extended cab Ford Ranger may have been responsible for the shooting. The manager advised that the video surveillance from the lot would be available during the daytime Friday when the owner arrives. A BOLO was put out for officer safety, and the Watch Commander and Asst. Dist. Commander were notified. ********************************* Congratulations to Lita Handy Peters for winning Seat 4 for the City of Debary. I would like to say I voted for her but I didn't. I voted for who I thought would be the best person on the council..........me. With the lousy turn out that Debary generates my one write in vote might get it next time. (might have gotten two but not sure about wife). But seriously I do believe the best person won the seat. Lita brings a fresh out look and younger ideas. Something I believe this city needs. Having three council members from Glenn Abby just doesn't seem right. As much as I do like the mayor and councilman Koval I feel certain that CM Carson, Hunt and Peters will bring common sense and logic to and for the city. As I see it the ''stuff shirts'' lost and I could not be happier. It is now time to move forward and not just stand still You now have a council that is currently working for a living and making them more in touch with business, the economy and reality. The current retired CM's don't realize it is time to change - they are stuck in history. The few that voted spoke loudly of what they want and also what they don't want. Let's move forward. Congratulations Lita --- I wish you the best. Bob Waldorf
11/8: Oh, I forgot one thing Bob ... I'd rather have decaying buildings than a decaying society! Nuff said! Shirley H.
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