People Over Politics

This was the company selected to build our "double-deckers" and we've already paid twenty million dollars.

Congressman John Mica from Florida has also ordered Colorado Railcar cars for its Central Florida Commuter Rail. This commuter rail hasn't even been approved yet by the Florida legislature because of liability demands by CSX Rail which the commuter rail would share tracks. The Florida Department of Transportation continues to poor money into this debacle and the costs continue to increase practically by the minute. Now they say they are changing to another supplier for the rail cars. I guess this would be why. What a debacle. Thank you Congressman Mica!

12/29: Commuter Rail: From the Other Side of the Tracks: Hiawatha Commuter Rail Disaster

It's not "What do we know" as much as it's "How do we know it?" The newspapers and "powers that be" are pushing Commuter Rail. It was to get cars off the road and to avoid paying for an additional lane on I-4. Now we find out that to have Transit Orientated Development(TOD) we need high density growth. High density means a minimum, MINIMUM, 12-14 units per acre. We have nothing like this in our Comp Plan. This growth will put additional cars on the roads and yes, they are still talking about an additional lane on I-4.

Commuter Rail: From the Other Side of the Tracks is a link to counterbalance the propoganda that Commuter Rail is a silver bullet. The people have not been asked if they want to assume the debt that they WILL have to pay when the state and federal government step out of this deal. Now protections in the agreement have been removed by our County Council (click on POP Editorials to read the article).

SOMEONE is pushing this. Who? Why? And will this website be the only place where we can talk about what is happening on the other side of the tracks like the article below?

Mass Transit Systems Have a Hard Time Paying the Bills

The good news, ridership is up; the bad news, ridership is up

Strong-arming recalcitrant aldermen, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley recently framed the debate this way: Either support a property tax increase to fund the city's cash-strapped transportation authority or "stand up and say, 'I want the CTA to bypass my ward.'" Minutes later, the 40 percent tax increase on city property buyers passed overwhelmingly, 41 to 6. If only it were that easy in every burg where the aging rail lines keep rotting, the fares keep rising, and the trains have to keep rolling.

Commuters crowd onto a subway car at Grand Central Terminal during the evening rush hour. With gas at $4 per gallon and highway congestion soaring, ridership on the nation's subways and buses has jumped dramatically. Between 1995 and 2006, use of public transportation increased by 30 percent, a rate far outstripping both population growth and increased highway usage. Last year, that meant Americans took some 10.3 billion trips on mass transit. And therein lies the problem. "There's a transportation finance crisis writ large across the country," says Robert Puentes, a fellow at the Brookings Institution's metropolitan policy program.

Because mass transit systems are so expensive to operate, they rely heavily on subsidies from federal, state, and local coffers. But the flow of money has not kept pace with the ridership growth. And when demand is coupled with capital costs or deferred maintenance and bonds coming due, many transit systems now find themselves in a financial bind that promises to only get worse.

The transit agency in Boston, for instance, is now some $5 billion in the red. The New York Transit Authority will face an estimated $700 million deficit this year, which is projected to jump to a $1.1 billion shortfall in 2009 and a $2.07 billion gap by 2011. "The state wasn't kicking in money for capital needs, so we were taking out bonds," says William Henderson, executive director of the Permanent Citizens Advisory Committee to the Metropolitan Transit Authority. "Now, not only are you having to pay for the 40 percent of cost of operations that you're not covering through the fare box, you're also paying for more and more debt service."

Like the nation's highways, transit systems are not federal assets; they are owned and operated by a patchwork of local and state partnerships. While this means that each network has flexibility in the way it secures funding, it also makes finding money a constant struggle between often competing entities. In Chicago, one month after the mayor cajoled aldermen into supporting his tax plan, state legislators and Illinois's governor were unable to agree on a CTA funding package, forcing cuts of $200 million from the capital-improvements budget. In Chicago, the need for repairs is particularly acute. Miles of train track need repair, and some dilapidated bus garages are so old they were built for horses.

Substantially increasing the fares isn't a practical option in most cases, though record hikes have recently been levied in Washington, D.C., and New York, while the price of a rail ticket in San Francisco has jumped 26 percent in the past five years. A survey in 2001 found that 43 percent of the country's transit riders live in households where the annual income is less than $20,000, and nearly the same percentage of riders come from households without cars. "The hard part of transit funding is finding that sweet spot where you're not punishing the people who need it most, but you're getting enough out of riders to make the whole package work," says Bob Dunphy, senior resident fellow for transportation and infrastructure at the Urban Land Institute.

Part of the squeeze stems from the failure of federal funding to keep pace with the relative explosion in the number of transit systems under construction. Even as more cities build or expand their systems and ridership hits a 50-year high, the amount of federal funding has remained constant. And now, the federal transportation trust fund, paid for largely through an 18.4-cent-per-gallon gas tax, is scheduled to run out of money next year. The federal fund will have a $3 billion surplus this year, which will become a $3.9 billion deficit by 2009. When Congress proposed raising the gas tax to close the expected gap, the White House called for cuts in spending. The tax has not been raised since 1993.

While public opinion is strongly against a rise in the federal gas tax, voters at the local level have consistently supported increasing local taxes to fund their transit systems—some 70 percent of the time, according to a study of some 200 ballot initiatives by the American Public Transportation Association. "At the federal level, [transportation funding] is characterized by the Bridge to Nowhere," says Puentes. But when voters are presented with funding specific projects, "they do so at a pretty good clip."

And that's good news for the Chicago aldermen who didn't want the CTA to bypass their wards but now have to explain a tax hike to their constituents.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. The bamboozle has captured us. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.

What was the purpose of the Commuter Rail? Do we still remember back that many weeks? Wasn’t it to relieve traffic on I-4? Wasn’t it to take cars OFF of the roads and interstate? Yes, I think I remember reading that somewhere in the editorials of both the Sentinel and the News Journal. I think I remember hearing Mica say that in mailings and in the newspaper. Pesky little Al Everson from the Deland Beacon was calling from the woods (obviously I mean this figuratively as the woods have been replaced with condos), “It’s about growth. It’s about growth.” But only a few heard him…probably the people who read this website regularly.

The Volusia County Council voted unanimously for the Commuter Rail; unfortunately their sentiments weren’t. No longer can government officials vote their sentiments or conscience, they have to present a united, “group think” front. It couldn't be a united "No", it had to be "Yes" for some reason. What’s happened since that vote?

The Central Florida Commuter Rail Commission, meeting for the first time Wednesday, took its thinking way beyond the recently approved rail route from DeLand to Poincianana.

Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty, who was elected vice chairman, said the rail vote was unprecedented in that it got unanimous support from all five local governments.

But he added that commuter rail by itself would not solve all transportation problems.

Not solve all the problems?! Talk about giving yourself the ultimate "out". I don't remember hearing this before this was voted through. Norm.

It also may be able to spur development around stations, rather than the region's many clogged roadways.

"It's not about a train from a station in Volusia County to a station in Osceola County," Crotty said.

It's not about a train that runs from Volusia to Osceola, Mr. Crotty? Well, what the hell is it about then? Because all we heard BEFORE the vote was that it was about a train that ran from Volusia to Osceola. See the theme: Before the vote it's about the train station and alleviating traffic, AFTER the vote the train won't solve transportation problems and it's not even about a train that runs from Volusia to Osceola. It's as if all that happened before the vote was written on an Etch-A-Sketch that has now been shaken. Norm

The other two members are Seminole County Chairman Carlton Henley and Volusia County Chairman Frank Bruno.

Henley said his county already is looking at ways to develop retail and residential units around the four stations in Seminole County so that they become much more than "parking lots."

Already looking at ways to develop? They JUST started looking? I was born at night, but I wasn't born LAST night. And I wouldn't knock parking lots too much...it's all this state is going to be in a few years.

Wow, how things do change. Commuter rail, which never pays for itself nor does it attract riders, is a vehicle for growth and more vehicles on the road…not less.

Mica duped us all and pushed this through by getting the local politicians in FIVE counties to all vote yes for it. How did he manage that, I wonder. If Frank Capra took a look at our local government, Mr. Smith would have stayed home.

But not too worry, the taxpayer can just pay more. Within 24 hours of the vote of the Volusia County on the commuter rail, Deland was planning 200 homes around their yet to be determined rail station. No longer are we even enduring the double-speak or attempt at duplicity. Bait and switch has nothing on our local governments. In addition, how is it that the commuter rail was sold to us with a station at Saxon Blvd and then moved somehow to Ft. Florida Rd? I’m not arguing that it is a good or bad move, I’m just wondering about the process that allowed it, discussed it, voted on it, etc. Who changed the location? When? At what meeting? Please tell me as I do not know.

In closing, the Ft. Florida Rd. station is three miles from the station in Sanford where riders will pay an extra buck to cross the river. So just driving three more miles will save them 10 dollars a week not to mention the savings with cheaper gas prices in Seminole vs Volusia. Just a thought...

In seven years we might think more about this issue as each city will have to pick up the tab on this galactic blunder that will ultimately cause more cash to be pissed away than at the next Vitamin Expo.

12/18:

From Norm Erickson:

Pari-mutuels want a change in definition to include blackjack tables.

From the article below: Pari-mutuels in “grim shape”; “dire”; “Revenues down 22 percent”; “industry could die”;

‘Nuff said

THE ARTICLE:

South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Area's pari-mutuels to band together to compete with Indian gaming

South Florida 's pari-mutuels announced an effort today to band together in a lobbying bid for state authorization to install blackjack tables, in order to remain competitive with Indian gaming resorts.

As the state Legislature is poised to reopen discussions over a defunct gambling-expansion deal with the Seminole Tribe, the South Florida Gaming Coalition said legislators would snag an extra $495 million in revenues by giving five tracks in Broward and Miami-Dade counties the same options as Indian resorts.

The coalition includes two tracks in Broward County: Mardi Gras Gaming, and Isle Casino and Racing at Pompano Park. The tracks already have Vegas-style slots, racing and poker tables, but executives said customers are passing them over for the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino's blackjack and baccarat tables.

" It's dire," said Dan Adkins, vice president and CEO of Mardi Gras Gaming. Revenues are down 22 percent at Broward tracks from last year, he said, hit by a double whammy of the declining economy and more attractive gaming options at Hard Rock in Hollywood .

"If we have to continue in an unfair environment, that $495 million of potential revenue [from pari-mutuels] is gone," he said. "That's a lot of money."

At a Tallahassee press conference, track executives said the South Florida facilities employ 2,500 people and, from Broward alone, ship $132 million in tax revenues to the state. Without expanded gambling options , the industry could die, they said.

The Pompano Beach track is in particularly grim shape, said Allan Solomon, a senior advisor to Isle Casino and Racing.

"We're not making any money," he said. "Absolutely our revenues are down, as a result that they have table games and we don't."

After signing a compact with Gov. Charlie Crist that promised $100 million in annual tax payments, the Seminoles opened blackjack tables in July. But only weeks later, the state Supreme Court nullified the agreement, ruling Crist should have sought legislative approval. (does the word “rushed” come to mind – Norm Erickson) The blackjack tables are still open, however because the tribe is not governed by state law.

Struggling for revenues, legislators are now considering whether to ratify Crist's deal or try to modify its terms. The Republican-run House, usually an impediment to any gambling initiatives, has appointed a select committee to study the compact beginning this week.

Changing the deal with the Seminoles won't be easy. The Seminoles agreed to the compact with the state based on the promise of "exclusivity," said Barry Richard, the tribe's attorney.

But some legislators already have signaled they are sympathetic to the pari-mutuel industry's argument.

Rep. Mary Brandenburg noted in Palm Beach County, gamblers drive by the Palm Beach Kennel Club to play blackjack at Hard Rock - a facility with a much lower tax rate than the tracks.

"Do the people of Florida benefit if (the Seminoles) have exclusive rights?" asked Brandenburg , D-West Palm Beach . "Our concern is to maximize" the state revenues. (Does Slippery Slope sound familiar? Norm Erickson)

Josh Hafenbrack can be reached at jhafenbrack@sun-sentinel.com or 850-224-6214.

12/16: Many new Citizen Editorials in Citizens' Editorials about DeBary Downs. The PEOPLE are speaking...

Finally someone else sees if you demand quality, you get it; and if you demand a Dollar Store, you might get it. Although not in DeBary if it violates the Comp Plan, even if the City Manager wants it!. Just as all Walgreen stores are not alike (look of the ones in Maitland and Winter Park on 17-92), neither is all growth. Some is attractive and some is an eyesore.

There is a finite amount of land to be developed in DeBary. Annexation is not a viable option for growth in a city locked in by a river, lake and two other cities. So the undeveloped land that exists should be developed at the best possible use to provide a balanced community, otherwise known to planners as sustainable growth.

So use the City's development regulations to do it correctly the first time like Norm Ericson said.

Mr. Goldstein can come back to the City Council in 6 months and ask again. So be prepared. A new City Council will be in place by then. Jack Lenzen will vote for it again, but maybe Van Conolley will see the truth about the "400 low-income apts". Maybe Jack Lenzen will be recalled from office by then! Who knows where the new mayor will stand on the issue.

A few facts... The DeBary Town Center MPUD is permitted to build eight (8) dwelling units per developable acre (using on the City's definition of "density") on a portion of the site totalling 30.5 acres. Even if all 30.5 acres were developable (which they are not) that would mean 244 dwelling units ---- not 400. Get your facts straight Jack Lenzen, Danny Allen and Greg France.

The next big step will be in February '09 when the property owner will return to City Council for an extension of the preliminary plat. If the extension is approved by City Council, the development will remain alive for another year or two while the applicant will supposedly develop constructions plans for infrastructure and begin building the infrastructure. If denied,the preliminary plat is no longer valid and must be resubmitted to City Council for approval before the construction phase can be initiated.

Very expensive construction by the way. Too much for Steve Costa's family to pay. And too expensive for less than 200 apartments - low income or otherwise.

Thanks to Marks and Ericson for seeking facts to make a decision and to support a potential lawsuit - unlike former Councils who caused the City to lose every lawsuit.

Anne Bustin

What started as an annoyance grew to a crescendo of complaints – and some thanks – as I started to leave Town Hall. Complaints for the transparent behavior of stacking the audience with shills and “thanks” for not letting them get away with it. Maybe we should thank themfor bringing in non-residents to show the people of DeBary they can't win without them.

Two Councilmen, Marks and Lenzen, saw that this could not be fair meeting and had the courage to make a motion and second it to have the meeting moved to a later date and larger facility. This was the best part of the evening. And just in time because civility was starting to break down. Besides questionable behavior, including some that should have known better, the absence of civility was obvious. Webster says it clearly:

Ethics: A set of moral principles or values. The principles of conduct governing an individual or group.

What happened to Ethics? Where are the professional standards of conduct? When does it become acceptable to cast ethics aside and put the emphasis on deception and intimidation?

Is this project so weak they have to recruit outsiders to pack the hearing? So weak as to create a hostile atmosphere for those who wanted more information on the project or didn’t want a green T-shirt? The intrigue and disregard for the will of the people was evident. They may have stacked the deck but they alienated hundreds of people with their tactics. The people are not dumb. To force them to have to push their way into Town Hall because every access to the front was blocked with green T-shirts did not go unnoticed. What other “goodies” were given to the shills? To let ethical behavior for possible personal gains must have been too strong to ignore.

Where are we going in DeBary? What are we going to be in the next 5-6 years? Disregarding the rules and laws, arbitrary zoning changes, ignoring the Comprehensive Plan, looking the other way to allow questionable projects to go forward without adequate review of the consequences is what got this City in so much trouble in the past.

What is the urgency to shoehorn this project into our City? This is one of the most significant times to cross our boundaries and should be given the time and discussion it deserves. Without cat-calling, heckling, and rude behavior.

Summary of highlights and .......
> 
> Councilman-elect Conoley spoke briefly about the procedure
> for handling and filing e-mail at City Hall. Mayor-elect
> Garcia also addressed the 
> Council about some projects he was thinking about for 2009.
> 
> Mayor Coleman suggested the Council begin thinking about
> the replacement of the City Manager who said she is moving
> to Georgia as soon as her house is sold. The Council said
> they would start thinking about it and be ready when the new
> Council is seated in January. They will gather names and
> also work with the RANGE RIDERS - retired City Managers who
> assist Citys in transition.
> 
> Mr. Wanamaker presented an update on City Hall. He said the
> Council 
> chamber may be ready for the December meeting. The ba,ance
> of the building  will probably be ready in January.
> 
> Storm Report:- Mr. Williamson submitted a written report to
> the Council listing the things that were learned and
> recommendations for the future. Computer problems, cell
> phone chargers, chain of command, phone banks and other
> problems that occured within the first few days of the
> storm. Councilman Marks suggested a meeting on future plans
> on storm preparation  should be a priority for the first few
> months.
> 
> Reading Edge Academy:- Even though their presentation was
> moved to Decenber 3rd, they were told by City Hall they
> could come in to talk about some general subjects - not
> requiring action by the Council.However, the City Attorney
> said this was not allowed when they had an Agenda date and
> could be a problem. It was unfortunate because they sat
> through about an hour of "City Business" before
> they were told they couldn't speak. 
> 
> Resolution #08-19:- Council voted to approve the
> declaration that DeBary will continue to be in a state of
> emergency. Recommendation will be signed on Dec. 31st.
> 
> Highbanks Mini Storage:- Presented by GAI and Mr, Vihlen.
> The area behind the existing storage buildings will be in
> compliance with all LDC and Comp Plan requirements. All
> questions regarding landscape, buffering and paving were
> answered. 
> 
> Councilman Erickson asked some questions regarding
> Development Review Committee approval - the sequence - and
> past approvals of the property. Documentation should be
> available to see what the Development Order covers. These
> will be furnished and the Council approved the Plan for
> outside storage of boats up to 35'and cars. No work,
> repairs, etc will be allowed. Mr. Likakis questioned the
> 10' parking width for 27' to 35' boats  and
> suggested 3 or 4 slots be widened to accomodate the greater
> beam and trailer widths.
> 
> Storage shed at Nature Park:- Bid was approved for
> construction of a concrete storage shed to hold City
> equipment - pumps, hoses, tractors, etc. to protect them and
> prevent theft. Construction will not start until some FEMA
> money comes in.
> 
> The best part of the evening was the announcement
> that..trumpet please...
> 
>              SHARON PERTLER - GRAND MARSHALL OF THE 
>                       CHRISTMAS PARADE
> 
>     This Lady has - for years and years - has been the
> chief cook and
> bottle washer for the Civic Center and has an endless list
> of works
> done for the community, the needy and anywhere she can
> help. It is a well-deserved accolade for Sharon. She has
> earned it.
> 
> John Likakis
> POP

Mark Meister in DeBary Election 2008 11/8: City Council Meeting - 11/05/08

Summary of highlights and lowlights

It was a long meeting - past 11 PM - but a lot was reviewed and
discussed and changed and sent back for "fixin". And there was a date
change which came in the next morning. Make note:-

Racetrack meeting changed from the 13th to the 21st.

Public Participation:- Flooding was still the main subject for speakers.
From Glen Abbey - a little controversy regarding what can be
done with the Golf course flooding. City says nothing can be done. Golf
course folks say yes something can be done to alleviate flooding. City
will notify both parties what and when.
From DGCC - What is being done to protect the Lakeside Villas
frombeing flooded again? Mr. Hamstra responded with the Plan for that
area. Another question was regarding Plantation Blvd entry road and the
fact that the lake across 17/92 is filling up again and threatens to
come across the road.
From Pine Valley Court - They survived previous hurricanes
without any problem. The '04 and '08 flooding was due to the failure of
neighboring ponds. Reminded the previous speaker that "we are a City
of people and everyone is affected one way or another by the plight
of others who were not as fortunate."

VGMC Report: Danny Allen reported the VGMC document was circulated to
the City Representatives and it acknowledges that they have
probably "Overstepped their boundaries"
in how they have been operating. On another subject Mr. Allen asked for
further information on the stormwater control for the Ranger Property.
Mr Hamstra answered Mr. Alllen's question and will also meet with Mr.
Allen to review the Plan.

Stormwater Update:- Mr. Hamstra presented an update on the status of
various projects and the proposed action ahead. There will be Pump
On/Pump Off plan to take care of rising groundwater in certain area. Mr.
Mica has been contacted by the City and Councilman Marks to try and get
some money from FEMA sooner rather than later.

Editor's Comment:- FEMA wants the City to complete the Westside Project
all at once before giving any money. This doesn't make any sense
because the City doesn't have the enormous amount required to do this
without Federal help. It is still part of the Emergency Plan and the
conditions exit that need to be fixed - not at the Federal pace of
"there's no rush, no problem, etc." - but ASAP to get it done right.
Let's hope Mr. Mica can help push this through.

Presentation made to the Garden Club in appreciation for all the work
they have done over the years.

River Bend:- The paving of Ft. Florida Road is presenting some problems.
A Fair Share Agreement which will be agreed to by River Bend, Empire
Cattle and the City has not been OK'd by Empire Cattle. There are a few
questions but until they are resolved nothing can be done. However,
River Bend is prepared to proceed with the project with or without
Empire Cattle signing on to allow River Bend access to the piece of
property at the south corner of Ft. Florida Road. The Council suggested
all parties go back and review the Agreement and come back with a
clearer document which will satisfy all parties. Questions regarding
potential flooding, environmental protection, preserving wetlands,
reclaimed water lines and other utilities. A revised documant should be
ready by the Dec, 3rd meeting.

Editorial Comments:- It appears Empire Cattle is looking for some kind
of "sweetheart deal" that will allow them to have greater leeway in
what they intend to develop further down the road. Nobody knows exactly
what that may be. They are in effect holding the City and River Bend
hostage before signing an agreement. And evidently not sitting down with
each other and ironing out the problems.This is once again a document
that has a lot of "gray" language and which can come back and bite us
in the _ _ _ down the road. The Council is "right on" to ask for
clarification before anything else is done.

Highbanks Marina:- Extension granted for completion of hydrant placement
by Feb. 8, 2009.

Reading Edge Academy:- The additional building scheduled to be
constructed behind the existing one raised a lot of questions.
Increased traffic, the need for a traffic light, the increased traffic
from other new construction underway on Enterprise Road, proximity to
residents homes in Summerhaven, the ability of planned buffers to be
adequate and other other questions that need to resolved before
approval. The applicant will meet with residents to answer any of their
questions and will also consider changing the building plan in order to
satisfy other questions . The Council asked them to come bak in 2
weeks, Nov. 19th, with revised plans.

Editor's Comment:- The area where the Reading Edge Academy is located
has become jammed with new building on both sides of Enterprise Road.
Orange City is shoe-horning them in wherever an unattended patch of
grass or dirt shows up. All for more tax dollars which will probably
disappear as additional City costs raise their ugly heads in the not too
distant future. It's good our Council is doing their homework snd
asking for revised plans.

Commerce Park:- This project in the Industrial District of DeBary is
planned for 13 one story buildings. They anticipate creating 200 new
jobs when the project is completed. It appears that all codes, etc. have
been met.

Riviera Bella:- An extension to 2017 was requested for the completion of
Unit 3 and Unit 2B was requested of thiis development. However,
Councilman Lenzen questioned the terminology regarding the paving of Ft.
Florida Road in this area particularly "_... accept the open grade
paving as permanent..." He also said FT. Florida Road needs to be paved
as one total project and not piecemeal. All three parties involve in
this area need to coordinate their efforts to make this happen. A
Resolution will be prepared by the City Attorney to allow for the
extension and to include terminology that will tie-in all three projects
regarding paving. The Resolution will be ready for the next Council meeting.

Editorial Commentary:- Here we go again. A simple request with one line
that could be overlooked and come back to cost the City a bunch of
bucks. And create ill will with the people living along FFR. Tedious as
it may be for our Councilmen, reading every document and asking
questions is so important. It's better for the City and better for
developers to know they need to do ir right the first time instead of
having to go back and revise blueprints which can be very expensive.

And that's how we got to 11+ PM.!!

John Likakis
POP

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_Editorial comment - in general:- We don't have very much _buildable
_land left for development. Zone changes, Comp Plan disregard and loose
documentation can lead to environmental and economic disasters. Not to
mention water - drinking and flooding - that Mother Nature disctates to
us all. We need to be vigilant so that the character and quality of life
that we have in DeBary will be what we want it to be for newcomers and
future generations.

There will be two new members on the Council in January. I hope they
continue the diligence that's been started and that they ask questions
if what's brought before them is not correct or not understandable. In
the 10 years that I've been making "regular visits" to the podium with
simple questions and controversial ones at times, I would occasionally
ask the Council, "have I ever asked or discussed anything that was not
for the good of the City and its people or was a personal agenda "? The
answer was always no - when they would decide to answer.

My visits to the podium have decreased because the Council is doing OK.
Help them continue.

11/2: I'm putting this on the front page because it was sent the day of my leaving out of state and thus not on the site for as long as it could have been. Norm

To whom it may concern.

It seems that some candidates are concerned with the overblown issue of stormwater drainage in our community.

I have a novel solution...it is called EVAPORATION...that is right.
Instead of wasting millions of dollars pumping out residents that deserved to be flooded out to begin with, we should just let the water evaporate. Why hurry nature, the damage has already been done to the homes, whats the hurry?

Unfortunately people build or buy too close to lakes or rivers, or foolishly locate on land that is too low , so what. Why should the rest of the community help these people?

If their homes were damaged by a tornado, that would be totally different because that would be unpredictable....but negligent people that build in holes should not be helped, it just encourages futher negligence.

Consider a Hurricane IKE victim's response to his home being smashed to rubble in Texas. During an interview with the media he claimed "well thats what we get for locating so near the Gulf of Mexico, we gambled with the elements and lost, no ones fault but our own". Thanks....someone actually took responsibility in TEXAS.

I was amused by one of our Mayoral candidates comments about global warming, " aw it is just weather cycles", I wish he were right.

Newsflash, I have several recent visitors that would like to argue namely Andrew, Charlie, Dennis, Ivan, Mitch, Katrina, Gustav,Francis,Wilma,Ike, FAY ...etc. The entire gulfcoast of the USA is devastated from Appalachacola Bay to Galvezton,Tx just like the scientists PREDICTED it would be years ago.

Of course there were the fires in Palm Bay, the State of Florida Fires of 1998, the recent tornadoes in Deland the killer tornadoes that went through Sanford. There are the new hurricanes that are hitting the west coast of Mexico, the devestation in the Pacific in Myamar, Taiwan and Japan. Years of La Nina but... Nah there is nothing wrong with the weather...BULL 95% of scientists agree the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is the highest it has been in 150,000 years.

The City of Debary can waste all the money it wants overreacting to the MINOR flooding of the "hole dwellers" of the country clubs...BUT...those houses are going to go under water again...hide and watch. Even the Debary planning consultant said...the pumps will not keep up.

I remember seeing helicopters getting water out of the St Johns river to put out fires in the present location of Riveria Bella, I remember a friend getting killed in Sanford Fl from a tornado. I remember seeing the rubble that was left of a home New Orleans I grew up in. Long Beach,Ms. Cameron,La.Waveland, Ms. these are just some towns that have been wiped off the map....but no...there is nothing wrong....scientists predicted this ...but no....there is nothing wrong, it just weather cycles.

Dream on Dreamers, there will be no saftey, no surprize....the PLANET is reacting to the poisin we have been feeding it....fasten your seatbelts, it is going to be a hell of a ride.

Morton Culligan
US Military Empire

10/24: Meister responds to Mr. Greene; Mort has a new editorial. It's been waiting for you since birth in Citizens' Editorials.

UPDATE: POP Editorial from Norm Erickson responding (yakking)to the Orlando Sentinel's editorial about the DeBary Downs project.

City Council Meeting - 10/15/08
 
Summary and Highlights
 
Public Participation:- A Summerhaven resident said that a house in her 
area has been repeatedly reported to Code Enforcement with little or no 
action to get the owners  to cut  knee high grass,  keep garbage from  
spreading around the street and in general keep the house from looking 
like an abandoned derelict. In the absence of the City Manager and 
Assistant City Manager, Mr. Seelbinder said he would look into this and 
let the resident know what can/will be done.
 
Alexander Woods resident asked for clarification of  the flooding status 
in the area. They have pipes running across their property and not 
getting any information. Mr. Hamstra explained  what was being done and 
that all necessary paperwork has been filed and the City is waiting for 
a response from FEMA .
 
Mr. Danny Allen reported that the VGMC is working on the revision of 
their Policies and Procedures. He also reported speaking with Riviera 
Bella regarding the paving of Ft. Florida Road in their area as part of 
the overall project and said they are amenable to working with the City 
to accomplish this. A meeting should  be set up shortly.
 
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Reports were made by the Economic Development Advisory Committee, Don 
Kitner, and the Public Safety Advisory Committee, Bob Garcia.  Mr. 
Wanamaker reported on the status of the new City Hall and feels that it 
should be completed during the first week in December.
For details on the subjects covered by the Committees, check with City 
Hall for copies of their presentation or contact each Chairman at their 
next meeting.
 
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Audit Report for the fiscal year ending September 30.2007
 
Rather than try to present all the details of the report - which was 
quite lengthy - there are a few comments that will give you a feel of 
how the City fared.  The total assets of the City exceeded its 
liabilities at the close  of the fiscal year.  There are sufficient 
funds to continue  to  meet the City's ongoing obligations to its 
citizens and creditors. However, this may be a bit misleading because 
due to - and I'll quote from the report - "overlapping administrative 
duties often take precedent over accounting duties". "Understaffed 
finance department". That means that the Finance Administrator was doing 
an exceptional balancing act to get documents to the right people at the 
right time. Add Tropic Storm Fay and the burden gets greater and the 
chance of an oversight increases. Councilman Lenzen stated that "we have 
to throttle down spending so we don't deplete our reserves. It may take 
FEMA a long time to reimburse the City. I urge us to be very cautious at 
this time." The Council agreed. The audit also covered the need - staff 
permitting  - to  inventory assets for better loss control and or fraud 
possibilities. This may be done when the new Building is occupied and an 
additional financial person is added.
 
Highbanks Marina:- Requested an extension to May 2009 for the 
installation of  the two fire hydrants. The installation was to have 
been completed by Nov 7th of this year but they requested the delay 
because of Fay. The City Attorney suggested the City make the Marina pay 
an outstanding bill before any other action be taken. The Council 
agreed  with a 5-0 vote and the delay was not granted. It was moved to 
the next meeting date in November. Councilman Marks asked  "Why from May 
of this year to mid August nothing was done. Isn't fire safety important 
enough for the residents?" The Marina's Attorney will meet with the City 
Staff to resolve the problem.
 
Editorial Comment:- To the casual reader this may seem harsh or just 
proper fiscal management. The background history is what dictates this 
action because it has been many years of delays and inaction by the 
Marina on setbacks, proper survey mapping and other requests. It's 
beyond me why a location so great and a potential to make it  even 
better  for its residents and  for  potential  future residents  fights 
every measure  to improve.
 
Land Development Code:- Changes were being discussed but enough 
questions were asked about the definition of certain items that it was 
decided to set aside a meeting date in January for a workshop  when the 
new Council is seated. Councilmen Erickson and Lenzen wanted to know 
more about what the applicant was proposing.
 
Editorial Comment:- It is best to be careful with a document as 
important as the LDC. For instance, what constitutes a "Group home"? 
Assisted Living? How many residents ? Is it a definition for unrelated 
family occupancy? Is there anything prohibiting occupancy in a 3 bedroom 
home by 3 unrelated people/families? That's why it is so important to 
ask questions - even the placement of words such as "shall" "will" "can" 
"may" preceding an action to be taken. That's how the City can get in 
trouble.
 
Enterprise By The Lake:- Project was to be 11, 2-story office buildings. 
Then it was proposed to be 1`, 2-story office building and 11, 1 story 
buildings. The latest is 1, 3-story office building and 10 single story. 
The area could have a flooding problem or pass on a flooding problems 
further down the line. Project denied.
 
Editorial Comment:- Same as my comments above. Ask questions. You've 
heard me say it many times before - The Devil Is In The Details .
 
Inmate Work Program:- Council reviewed the contract and reports from 
other cities who used this Program and felt it was worth one year's 
contract for maintenance of 17/92 now being done by Servello & Sons. 
Cost:$145,000. If it is done satisfactorily the next year's cost would 
be approximately $65,000. The City can cancel if the work is not 
satisfactory.
 
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That's it. Don't forget to vote. Carefully.This is an important election 
in all respects. The future of your Country, your County and your City 
is on the line.
 
It was a longer than usual meeting but a lot was accomplished for the 
good of the City.
 
Thanks.
 
John Likakis
POP

Citizens of DeBary

During the floods from Tropical Storm Fay parts of DeBary was without telephone service for several days. Everyone that was affected needs to call AT&T at 1-866-641-5029 to get a credit for the days they were without service. It may not be alot for some but every bit counts.

City Council Meeting - 10/1/08
 
Summary and highlights
 
_Storm water status :-_  David Hamstra presented an update on the 
various happenings within the City. There were 60 pumps operating at the 
peak problem time and there are 25 still remaining on an as needed 
basis. These 25 will be turned on and off to remove excess groundwater 
and to establish proper lake levels. The hoses and pumps will remain in 
place until hurricane season is over - 4-5 weeks.  As usual, Mr. 
Hamstra's presentation  was  complete, concise and  informative. If you 
want to  look at specific areas or need more detailed information, go 
to City Hall to look at the  chart presentations.
 
Editorial Comment:- The recommendation by Mr. Fletcher, Parks Dept. 
Director, for storage sheds at the Nature Park would have been woefully 
inadequate for proper storage of all the pumps and equipment now owned 
by the City. Councilman Lenzen called attention to this and suggested a 
safer and more substantial concrete block  storage building that would 
allow movement in and out by tractor or fork lifts of the large pumps 
and other equipment, pipes and smaller equipment in  a separate  
portion  of the building. The Council agreed to look into this and  
directed Staff to get bids - nothing fancy, please - for a storage 
building measuring approximately 50 x 80 with large roll-up doors.  
Security should also be a priority so our equipment, big and small, 
doesn't "grow legs"; a sign in/out sheet wouldn't be a bad idea either.
 
 
It was also agreed by the Council to bury the pipes purchased by the 
City so that they will be  in position and ready to go at the next 
emergency. Save time and money.
 
 
_VGMC _:- Danny Allen, our representative on the VGMC committee 
presented an update on the changes being considered by VGMC some of 
which are not conducive to the needs of the Cities and are not in 
keeping with the VGMC's Charter. A Memorandum was prepared  by our City 
Attorney and will be forwarded to the VGMC. It is an 8 page memo and a 
copy is available at City Hall if you want to see the specific 
recommendations. The City will try to have other Volusia Cities  join 
DeBary in questioning the VGMC's amendments.
 
_United Methodist Church - Special exemption :-  A request was made to 
allow them to purchase and use a home next to the church property to 
care for infants and toddlers during the day and possible Bible Study 
classes on the weekend._ _ It would not be an out
side Day Care center. The Church _would move the care to their new 
facility on Highbanks and Ft. Florida Rd when it is completed._ _
 
Editorial Comment:- This Church and its members were instrumental in 
easing the burden and pain of numerous families experiencing flood 
damage to their homes. They helped with donations of individual $500. 
and more important showed that someone cared. This is the essence of 
what makes a City tick and a good place to live. Thank You.
 
Current City Hall Building: - The future  status of the building was 
discussed and a variety of uses were suggested - from demolishing 
because of its poor condition to add-ons for use as a Police Station to 
selling to someone who would put an office or professional building on 
the property. The last use would bring in additional tax dollars.
 
Not on the Agenda but important: At the end of the meeting The City 
Manager was asked if the scuttlebutt on TV and newspapers regarding 
leaving was true. The City Manger's resignation is contingent on the sale
of her home; when her home sells, she will give 60 days notice.
She and her husband are planning 
to move to Georgia. No further details were discussed.
 
Other items on the Agenda were moved to the next Council meeting.
 
It was a long meeting but necessary for the  topics covered. I hope it 
didn't scare off any future Council meeting attendees. The new 2 
meetings per month have each meeting ending a little after 9 PM. Not bad.
 
John Likakis
POP

I would like to take the time to congratulate Van Conoley on winning the DeBary City Council Seat 3. I wish him nothing but good health and fortune in these very difficult months ahead. I will be present as always at City Council meetings.

I would also like to thank Debarypop for printing my last editorial about my platform when newspapers refused to do so. I just wanted everyone to know that I had more than just a couple of issues I was running on.

I would also like to congratulate Mayor-elect Garcia. I see many of bends and hard turns in the road ahead. It may be a bumpy ride but I honestly believe that you have what it takes to get the job done.

The residents of DeBary must stay steadfast but also open to new ideas. A city must have a complimentary mix of commercial, residential, and industrial tax revenue to be a healthy and prosperous city. As it stands now, you the residential tax payer is paying 80% of all the taxes for the City of DeBary. The other 20% is divided between 13% that the electric companies pay and 7% that the rest of the businesses accrue.This will catch up with all of us with higher property taxes at this rate.

We must support the commuter rail when it does come through. We must build the infrastructure to compliment businesses so that this project will be supported. In seven years, the City will pick up the total price of this venture. If we do not forge ahead and create the right kind of businesses, the City will not absorb the cost and in the end fail. This City will become bankrupt.

We must not let the DeBary Library become the "sacrificial lamb" to the upgrades to the Deltona Library. This will definately affect every young student and library patron. The City of DeBary has been the "red headed step child" for much of the time because we do not fit in with the way West Volusia and Volusia County runs it business. This is the reason we have no schools and we are over looked. This may be the reason that DeBary loses its library.

This is what I believe in a nut shell. Only time will tell what may happen to our little Zanadu. Paradise was lost once before when God ran Adam and Eve out of Eden. Maybe taxes will run our residents out of our paradise. The choices are yours to make and I will be watching with very open eyes. Only time will tell what will happen to DeBary.

Mark Meister

I did not accept any contributions from developers or individuals associated with the proposed race track. MY OPPONENT DID. Any candidate who knowingly accepts contributions from individuals who will be before the City Council at a later time, has in my view, committed a serious moral transgression.

As a candidate for DeBary City Council- Seat 3, I am committed to finishing the DeBary Stormwater System. While I have three graduate degrees, I do not have a degree in engineering. I have located three DeBary residents who have very impressive credentials in engineering and all three have agreed to advise me on any aspect of stormwater management and control.

They have also agreed to advise the DeBary City Council on any aspects of stormwater management and will do so for free. Here are the names of these gentlemen with a brief academic/job description.

1) BILL WALDROP - Bill has a B.S. in mechanical engineering from Auburn University. He also has an MBA Degree from Rollins College. Also, Bill has an impressive background in finance.

2) FRANK DRAGON - Frank has a BS in Civil Engineering from the University of Nebraska. He also has an MS in Civil Engineering from Colorado State. He has been a licensed engineer in several states. He also attended the " Florida Water Law Seminar" in Tampa, Florida, in September, 2008.

3) MIKE KOLBA- Mike has a BSEE from the New Jersey Institute of Technology. Mike was a Senior Director for pharmaceutical engineering for the North American Division of Aker-Kvacrnex Pharmaceuticals. The job of a City Councilman is to listen to the People. By listening to these very knowledged gentlemen, I feel confident that I can make wise and cost effective decisions for the People of DeBary that will prevent future flooding of our city that has been so tragic and painful for our city in the past.

I plan to vote early with my wife this week. My wife has sciatica in her left leg that is very painful at times. We are going to "early voting" so my wife will not have to stand in a long line on November/4/2008. Early voting is safe and your ballot is kept "locked" safely until the polls close on election day. Early votes ARE NOT COUNTED EARLY. Citizens of DeBary can vote in DeLand at the "old courthouse" located at 125 West New York Avenue; DeLand. The time is from 8 am to 4 pm, Monday through Saturday.( Early voting is from Oct/20th to Nov./1st.) Please remember that if you do not vote early, the lines may be long in this election. Warmest regards, Van Conoley

I am very pleased to accept the endorsement of the West Volusia Realtor's Association. This group of independent men and women seeks to endorse individuals who have valuable economic plans that will support the small business community in West Volusia. I am grateful for their endorsement and I will continue to work for fiscal responsibility in DeBary City Government that will serve the interests of all of the People.

As a voter that prefers to be informed, I am somewhat annoyed that I know nothing about Bob Garcia who is running to be my Mayor. The other three candidates that are running this November are well known by me, either through what I have read in the Newspaper, on their website (if they have one) and more importantly through this wonderful POP website. If there is any information out there that I have missed, would you please lead me in the right direction.

Thanks,
Tom Nance

As a candidate for DeBary City Council Seat 3, there are two issues that I would like to discuss. Issue 1- I would like to encourage my many supporters to continue to show respect to my opponent, Mr. Mark Meister.

Also, I would like to encourage my supporters to show respect to both of the candidates for Mayor. The Van Conoley campaign is neutral in the Mayor's race and does not support or oppose either candidate. Issue 2- As a candidate in 2005, stormwater control was a major issue in my campaign. The Van Conoley campaign has been 100% correct on this issue for over three years. However, so much false and misleading information has surfaced in 2008 , that it is difficult to discuss this emotionally charged issue.

My supporters only need to remember that the City of DeBary never submitted one grant to the St. John's River Water Management District. The SJRWMD exists for the purpose of assisting city and county governments in obtaining grants (money) to build their own stormwater systems. The SJRWMD is the controlling authority on all issues relating to water.

I have a solution to the flooding problems in DeBary. We should elect MR. VAN CONOLEY since he was the ONLY candidate who made stormwater control a priority on his 2005 campaign leterature, which I still have. Van Conoley is being attacked by the city hall parasites who have also attacked Norman Erickson, Lenny Marks, and Jay Erndl.Manager Courson seems to be practically running the campaign of "DIRTY HANDS MEISTER."

Meister still has not explained his arrests to the citizens of DeBary or why he is on disabiluty and getting tax money from the citizens of the United States. If he can't work because of a disability how can he campaign or be on the city council? You need to get off the tax supported disability payroll and pick your extremely large rear end up and get a real job-you certainly eat well on the taxpayer dime. Having the support of ine incompetant Courson, will probably gain Mr. Van Conoley even more votes.

FIRE COURSON, ELECT "VAN THE MAN" CONOLEY. CONOLEY 4 DeBary-People first, City first, politics last. NO NO NO to Meister-YES YES YES to Conoley.

Mark Meister needs to answer two questions to the people of DeBary before anyone should even consider voting for him.

1. Come clean and tell everyone in the city about your arrest records-what you did,when, your punishment,etc.

2. How can you run for office-be a candidate-go to meetings-expect to be on the council if you are collecting disability money. You, sir, are collecting tax money from the citizens of the United States saying you are disabled and cannot work-yet your out there campaigning, you want to be on the council-which is a job. So if you are capable of doing this,sir, why can't you go out and get a real job and get off the disability payroll.

If you have a disability, how do you expect to serve the cicizens of DeBary. Sir, if you are collecting a disability check and you are disabled, how, sir, can you run as a candidate and run in a campaign and how can you serve on the council-which is a job.

Either, sir, your disabled and you cannot work or your not disabled, in which case you need to stop your disability payments from taxpayer money immediately.

I read the vile nonsense placed on your website by Candidate Mark Meister. The Meister is known to the people of DeBary as City Manager Courson's "yes man"-perhaps he is not intelligent enough to think for himself. Whenever the Meister speaks before the city council, he is either praising the manager or making stupid excuses for her incompetence and ignorance. The Meister stated the following on your website "I am not afraid to get my hands dirty." How true! We are all or should be amazed to learn just how dirty the Meister's hands really are. The Meister needs to answer the excellent article recently published in the Orlando Sentinel.

THE MEISTER NEEDS TO EXPLAIN HIS ARREST RECORD TO THE PEOPLE OF DeBARY! If the Meister wishes to be known as "DIRTY HANDS MEISTER", I believe few would dispute him. I prefer to vote for Mr. Van Conoley, whom I refer to as "Van the Man" and tell people it should be "Conoley 4 DeBary" who is an educated professional, knows the issues, will fight for all the residents of DeBary, is not afraid to take on the power brokers for the citizens of DeBary and has clean hands and will ensure an open, fair, clean, decent, and honest government.

I hope all will join me and many others on election day and say "Van the Man and Conoley 4 DeBary"-a new day for our city. To the Meister tell us, please, about your arrest record, and also the Meister should get a clue!!!!

Mark Meister,,,, Just keep putting your foot in your

mouth,,, You need to engage mind before starting,,, mouth...

I guess this is what politics is all about hugh?????

Eugene Stump.......

Mark A. Meister

47 years old

146 Pine Tree Drive Debary, Fl. 32713

( 386 ) 259-3576

abc642aaa@yahoo.com

N/A

Debary City Council Seat 3

High School Graduate Chambersburg Senior High School Chambersburg , Pa.

Non-emergency Transport Driver and West Volusia County Supervisor for Med Shuttle INC.

    In charge of evacuation of East Volusia County nursing homes in

              preparation of Hurricane Floyd.



    In charge of on road supervision and scheduling for West Volusia County .



            A site supervisor for ABC Demolition and also was licensed by the state of

            Florida for asbestos detection and removal.



            I am have been declared disabled since 2003.

            Political Experience:

            A spokesperson for Meadowlea on the River against Empire Cattle LTD’s

            residential development that threatened to surround the community.

            A member of the Economic Development and Advisory Committee for the

            City of Debary

            Have sat on a committee to clean up the Debary Bayou that was chaired by

            Congressman John Mica.

            Have sat in on a committee and work shops for the commuter rail

             station on Ft. Florida Rd. in DeBary.



10a.    Maintaining the excellent level of services in our city while keeping the ad

            valorum the lowest in Volusia County .

            Promoting and enticing new businesses into Debary to reduce the burden

            on the residential property tax payers.



10b.     I believe the cities and counties should have self sovereignty concerning our

            local government taxes. The State can provide guidelines but each county and

            municipal government should have the final decision.



11.     I support some growth but careful planning and consideration is the key to

making the City prosper. The key is not to fall into the trap of development just for the sake of growth

12. We must maintain our excellent Police and Fire service for the safety and general welfare of the residents of Debary. We need to be very careful and considerate on how we spend the people’s tax dollar. The City Council should work as a team to accommodate the citizens and not let one’s personal agenda come before the peoples needs.

13.      Even with the tough times that our economy is going through, we must maintain a robust reserve in our City’s finances so we are ready in case of an emergency. This is where a team concept by the City Council comes into effect and scrutiny on our spending of the tax payers money.

I tried to make this short and concise as per the directions.

To all the residents of Debary,

Mr. Conoley has written responses to the League of Women Voters of Volusia County. This is my responses to a few of these remarks. I think you will find it interesting that Conoley likes to mold facts for his own purposes. Here are his remarks with my responses from Mr. Conoley's questionnaire.

Conoley: Question 10a) Part 1- In the past, the DeBary City Council has failed to give clear direction to the City Manager. This lack of direction has led to a number of problems within our city. If I am elected to the City Council, I will attempt to work with my fellow councilmen and give clear direction to our city manager. This should solve many problems and should be a win/win/win situation for the Council, the manager, and most importantly the Citizens of DeBary.

Meister: This is a direct contradiction because one councilman cannot “direct” how the city manager conducts business because this is a direct violation of the city charter that he so willingly wants to follow. It takes a majority vote of the entire city council to dictate the manager’s policy and decisions.

Conoley: The Council attempted to remove an honest and law abiding citizen from the Volusia Growth Management Council and subvert the governmental process.

Meister: I would imagine that this “ honest and law abiding citizen” is tired of having this drug through the mud. This individual NEVER submitted a report nor asked for direction from the City Council in the SIX YEARS that he was involved. Mr. Allen has made several public reports since he has been involved.

Conoley: The Council purchased huge flower pots for the city at a cost of $ 1,100.00 each. Most citizens considered this very wasteful spending.

Meister: I have to agree with Mr. Conoley on this one. I hate those flower pots!!

Conoley: The city council, at the behest of the manager, hired a "grant writer" and paid $5,000.00/month for this service. Unfortunately, the "grant writer" never wrote a grant and seldom showed up for city council meetings.

Meister: This is just one of those twists of fate that happens from time to time and tend to make City Managers look terrible. In all fairness, The Grant Writer was highly recommended by THE CHILDRENS MIRICLE NETWORK and the Volusia County Economic Development and Advisory Committee. She did have some personal problems that did happen and DeBary did take a financial loss with nothing to show for it.

Conoley: The city council gave $5,000.00 of taxpayer money to a political action committee to influence voters. I will attempt to prevent actions like these if I am elected.

Meister: This was a unification of 10 to 12 Volusia County municipalities. The amount of money that Debary put into this “political action committee was the lowest that was given.

Conoley: Here is 10b) The State Legislature has the power and authority to regulate both county and city governments. Therefore, the question that I shall address is: " Do I believe that the Florida Legislature has acted wisely as it relates to legislation regarding local governmental revenues and taxation?" No. I believe that too many members of the Legislature of both political parties are much more concerned with promoting their own Machiavellian political interests than in promoting fiscal responsibility of local governments. The Legislature should avoid legislation that attempts to control too many aspects of local government. If this trend continues, local governments will be crushed by unfunded State mandates and unfunded Federal mandates. I strongly oppose unfunded state mandates and unfunded Federal mandates.

Meister: I believe the cities and counties should have self sovereignty concerning our

local government taxes. The State can provide guidelines but each county and

municipal government should have the final decision.

Footnote: Conoley changed his answer after he read mine. I read his original answer

and it was altered to compare with mine.

Conoley: Development and Growth- As a candidate in 2005, I developed a policy of supporting slow and planned growth that would benefit all of the People in DeBary. Unplanned and unchecked growth could destroy the basic values of our city. I will not hesitate to vote against unplanned growth that does not benefit all of our citizens. However, I will support reasonable growth that benefits all of our citizens and preserves our community. Also, I would like to point out that in the past, the City Council has allowed growth without supporting a reasonable infrastructure. We do not have a middle school or a high school in DeBary for our children. We also have roads that are not paved and we have citizens who do not have clean drinking water because they are not connected to the county water supply. We can and must do much better. As a candidate, I shall not accept financial contributions from developers, political action committees that do not share our views, special interest groups, and other political groups. I will maintain my independence and work for the People.

Meister: Planning and careful consideration is the key to making the City prosper. Lets not fall into the trap of development for the sake of growth.

Footnote: We were supposed to write short and concise answers. Mr. Conoley has a deep problem with “I “strain. More answers to this response is farther down in this editorial.

Conoley: Revenues/service I read budgets. I read and analized the County budget, the School Board budget, and the DeBary Budget. The DeBary City Budget has sufficient funds to continue to provide services to all of our citizens at the present levels. The problem in DeBary is wasteful spending. Past City Councils have: 1) Wasted tax dollars on huge flower pots at a cost of $1,100 each

Meister: I will not repeat myself.

Conoley: Hired a grant writer who never wrote a grant and paid her $5,000.00/month with our tax dollars,

Meister: I see a patern here!!

Conoley: Given a contribution to a political action committee to influence voter choices(This is not a proper role for government)

Meister: Wow!! I guess when you run out of things to say, just repeat.

Conoley: Imposed a stormwater tax and also borrowed money for stormwater improvements, yet we have not completed one stormwater project that is in my view satisfactory and cost efficient.

Meister: The whole eastside of the project is close to completion. Stormwater tax was proposed after the 2004 hurricane season in response to rectify the stormwater problems. No money was invested in capital projects. The City secured the loans AFTER A VOTER APPROVED REFFEREDUM

Conoley: Reduce wasteful spending and 2) Closely supervise projects, like our stormwater project, so the People will know that the tax dollars are working for them.

Meister: Very generic. Any politician can claim this.

Conoley: Specific issue- I sought election to the DeBary City Council in 2005, and I did very well with over 49% of the vote. On my campaign literature in 2005, I clearly stated that stormwater was an issue. Also on my literature, I clearly stated that we could solve this problem with little or no cost to our taxpayers by working with the St. John's River Water Management District (SJRWMD). The SJRWMD had literature to read, and I read all 18 pounds of materials sent to me by the SJRWMD. It was extremely clear to me that if our city would take the time to carefully write grants, the SJRWMD would pay most if not 100% of our stormwater costs. So I watched and waited. Not only did DeBary fail to submit one grant to the SJRWMD, but they hired a "grant writer" at $5,000.00/month who never wrote a grant. Also, the stormwater system has not been supervised in a professional manner. The answer is clear, our City Council needs leadership and clearly needs to understand the need for !) short term planning,

Meister: Mr. Conoley, I hate to be redundant but you force me into this situation time and time again. This is from The Saint Johns Water Management District Stormwater Management Project Cost Sharing Funding Information and Application Instructions.

“ Routine maintenance, capital improvement projects ,new projects to meet our requirements, or required mitigation will be discouraged. Projects that address land acquisition or non-compliance issues will NOT be funded through this program”.

Evaluation Factors #9: Does the project provide other water resource benefits in addition to water quality such as improving or protecting groundwater. You cannot get a grant for stormwater because it has to be about quality of water.

Conoley: Intermediate term planning, and 3) Long term planning. If elected in November, I shall work with the other Councilmen to develop sensible planning to better serve our Citizens.

THE END!!!

This was taken from his flyer he was passing out:

Conoley: The Council recommended to the Volusia County School Board that the latest middle school and high school be constructed in Orange City , not in DeBary.

Meister: Mr. Conoley must have been to different City Council Meetings that I attended because a Middle School was never proposed. Resolution No. 01-06 is entitled “ A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DEBARY, FLORIDA ADVOCATING THE SITING OF A NEW HIGH SCHOOL WITHIN THE CITY OF Debary AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.This was adopted on the 2^nd day of May,2001. this wasn’t even the same council that he was talking about!! This document was signed by Mayor Rosamonda .

This was from the minutes of the same meeting:

City Attorney Ardaman read resolution 01-06 by the title. Mayor Rosamonda stated that this goal was in the strategic plan; that he was an advocate of the siting of the school in the City of DeBary; that he felt Debary and Deltona was where the the major residential growth was in Southwest Volusia County; that the resolution was advocating that the next high school built in Volusia County would be built in Southwest Volusia, and, PARTICULARLY, IN THE CITY OF Debary.

Last sentence states “ that this vision was to put the school on the north side of Debary; that ORANGE CITY AND THE SOUTHERN PARTS OF DELAND COULD SHARE THAT HIGH SCHOOL;AND THAT HIGH SCHOOL WOULD SERVE ALL OF VOLUSIA COUNTY” .

Conclusion by Meister: Mr. Conoley, what have you done for the City except walk up in front of a podium and talk? What committees are you involved in? Are you serving on any boards?

I serve on the Economic Development and Advisory Committee and have sat on a committee concerning the cleaning of the Debary Bayou. I have been to every meeting concerning the “rail project” and have given some ideas and input into the infrastructure surrounding the station.

I am a very proactive individual that wants to be a servant of the people of DeBary. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. You will see action from this prospective city councilman. I am not afraid to get my hands dirty.

I have seen how city government works, now I want to see city government working for you!!

Elect a worker!! Elect Mark Meister to City Council Seat 3

THIS POLITICAL RESPONSE IS APPROVED BY MARK MEISTER CAMPAIGN FOR DEBARY CITY COUNCIL SEAT 3

I would like to express my deep appreciation to Gene Stump for organizing a meet the candidate forum on Thursday, August 7, 2008, in DeBary. I would also like to express my appreciation to The League of women Voters for their help and assistance.

The League has a long established record of asking probing questions of candidates seeking public office. The League does not support or oppose candidates, but they do publicize information obtained from candidates who respond to their questions.

I would like to strongly encourage all residents of DeBary to visit their Web site at: www.LWVVC.org. This site has information for DeBary voters. Also, this site has other information for voters in all parts of Volusia County.

I announce my political support for Van Conoley because he is by far the most qualified candidate for Seat 3. For many years, Van has worked for open and clean government for all the people in DeBary. Van has spent a lot of time talking with the people and he has not accepted any special interest money. I encourage the people to vote for Van Conoley so we can have a watchdog on the city council.

Paul M. Voight

Mr. Voight,
I find one of your comments a little disconcerting and I would like to reply. I would like to know what you meant by accepting "any special interest money". I have accepted nothing but contributions from the good citizens of DeBary. You will see that in my financial report and I do take offense to this statement and it has no basis. This was an implication that was meant to demean my character or enhance Mr. Conoley's in my expense.

I have proven that I have very good leadership skills and under times of distress. I too have talked to the constituents and not over the them. I want to be a servent of the good people of DeBary and you will find that I will be an active and involved leader that is not afraid to get his hands dirty and is willing to work dillegently for the good of the City.

I am ready to take that responsibility and I will be honored to serve you.

I have seen how city government works and I want city government working for you!!

Mark Meister

I support Van Conoley and hope he is elected to the City Council in DeBary. I generally do not vote for or against an individual because of their educational background. However, I believe that individuals have been elected to the Council in the past who had very little understanding of Municipal Finance. The taxpayers had to pay an extremely high price for their lack of understanding. Van has a comprehensive understanding of municipal finance and he knows how to apply his knowledge to serve the citizens of DeBary. I have spoken with Van in person and by phone and I am extremely impressed by his common sense and his honesty. Van Conoley is clearly the right choice for seat #3.

I would like to answer my opponent for the upcoming Debary City Council Seat 3 race. I feel that I have been in a few key situations where leadership was needed and I provided it.

1. A group home supervisor for Community Opportunities Inc. dealing with autistic young adults coping with behavioral modifications.

2. Employed by Med Shuttle Inc. through the Votran Gold and Medicaid system transporting ambulatory, wheelchair, and stretcher clients.

3. Became West Volusia County Supervisor for Med Shuttle Inc. in 1998.
I was in charge of scheduling and on the road supervision.

4. In charge of evacuation of nursing homes from the east coast of Volusia County to Seminole and Marion counties in anticipation of Hurricane Floyd.

5. Worked for ABC Demolition Inc. as a site supervisor and a liscensed asbestos inspector by the state of Florida.

6. Currently a member of the Economic Development and Advisory Committee for the City of DeBary.

7. Have sat on the committee to clean up the DeBary Bayou chaired by Florida State Representative John Mica.

8. A spokesperson for Meadowlea on the River concerning Empire Cattle Inc.

9. As of now, running for The DeBary City Council Seat 3 that is currently be held by Vice Mayor Christopher Carson and will be vacated due to term limitations.

I too have shown the ability to lead and in times of distress. Let the people decide who the true leader is.

As a reciepent of the Bronze Star for service in Viet Nam, I had an opportunity to observe men in leadership positions. True leadership ability is very rare and few man have this trait.

I support and endorse Van Conoley for DeBary City Council. Van has true leadership abilities, which combined with his education and common sense, make him the best qualified candidate. Van's greatest strength is his ability to relate to all of the people in DeBary.

I strongly urge my fellow residents to vote for Van Conoley in 2008 for Seat #3 on the DeBary City Council.

Please...say it ain't so!

For the love of pete, I am just finally back to work after sustaining $10,000 worth of water damage and now Carson Crooks, Inc. (sponsored by Danny Allen) are bringing this dead fish back to the table??

How many ways do you want residents to say it? No Gambling, No Gambling, No Gambling...I don't care how "pretty" these people make it.

Note to staff: you had better bring out more folding chairs for the next meeting....we're going to fill that hall again.

- John Benjamin

The developers of DeBary Downs have the state's OK, but still face a public-opinion hurdle before they can proceed with plans to build a pari-mutuel operation on the south end of DeBary.

With a freshly-signed state permit in hand for their planned quarter-horse track at Dirksen Drive and U.S. Highway 92, the Goldstein family will return to the DeBary City Council.

The Goldsteins operate Green Bridge Co. of Bettendorf, Iowa . They will bring the DeBary City Council freshly-revised conceptual plans for DeBary Downs, the facility they've been trying to get off the ground all year.

DeBary Downs is to have a poker room in addition to a horse track, but Green Bridge can't apply for a card-room permit until the race track is built.

The younger member of the Goldstein family, Michael, is already living in DeLand, preparing to supervise the project. His grandfather Bernie Goldstein was also in West Volusia Sept. 22-24, looking over the property and hoping to ease the public's concern about a gambling facility.

There will be no slot machines or other games, only horse races and a poker room. Poker-room wagers will begin at $5 for an ante and go up to a maximum of $45.

Bernie Goldstein has been involved in businesses in Iowa and Illinois for most of his adult life. He joined Alter Co., his father-in-law's scrap-metal company, in 1951, shortly after graduating from law school. He later expanded into barges and other transport-related enterprises.

On April 1, 1991, Bernie Goldstein retired. "Bored stiff," he said, he got into riverboat gaming operations, launching Diamond Lady and the Emerald Lady on the Mississippi River .

In 1993, the family opened the first Isle of Capri casino in Vicksburg , Miss. There are now a handful of Green Bridge casinos around the country, including one at Pompano Park in Florida .

Bernie Goldstein said the family business has a strong track record. He and grandson Michael emphasized they are not fly-by-nighters; they want to be part of the community.

They chose DeBary based on demographics, Michael Goldstein said, after a statewide search.

"We looked at population numbers, disposable income and proximity to other establishments," Michael Goldstein said.

They also looked at the surrounding areas and the planned stop across the street for commuter rail, which could help draw visitors from Orlando , if it's built.

Not just a place to make bets

Attorney Ty Harris, representing DeBary Real Estate Holdings/Green Bridge, said "We're not solely focused on the track and card room."

The card room will be a "golden goose," he said, but just one part of the revenue. Other activities will be designed for the community, including an entertainment complex, fairs, barrel-racing and other equestrian events, and a farmer's market.

Sensitive to community concerns about traffic on Dirksen Drive , the site plan was redrawn to move a hotel away from the corner of Dirksen Drive and U.S. Highway 92. The main entrance will now be on U.S. 92 instead of Dirksen Drive .

Harris said DeBary Downs will bring new money for the city's projects — about $400,000 a year in property taxes, plus 2.5 percent of the gross revenue.

The Goldsteins believe DeBary Downs, on the south end of DeBary, will create about half the traffic of the Town Center complex already approved for the property. Also, they said, DeBary Downs' planned grassy and natural areas will be more environmentally friendly than the shopping center and multi-family development.

"We see this as a good project for the community, and we're going to be a good member of the community," Michael Goldstein said.

DeBary Downs will bring 100 new jobs in the beginning, and add more as the facility expands.

Going against the competition?

Volusia County already has gambling facilities, and one of them has been active in opposition to DeBary Downs.

Delaware North owns the Daytona Beach Kennel Club, 30 miles away in Daytona Beach . Yet, that company has backed a group called Committee for Open Government, which put up a large bulletin board across the street from the DeBary Downs site, and generated a flood of phone calls and e-mails to DeBary City Council and Volusia County Council members, along with fliers and radio spots opposing the DeBary facility.

Delaware North did have one talk with the people at Spring Garden Ranch in DeLeon Springs about running pari-mutuel operations at that horse track, but nothing has come of it, Delaware North spokeswoman Rachel Gustafson said.

She said she knows nothing about claims that Delaware North jumped in and took the Internet domain name www.DeBarydowns.com before DeBary Downs could. The company does sponsor a Web site called www.noDeBaryDowns.com, which is published by the Committee for Open Government, she said.

"The Daytona Beach Kennel Club is still very much in the middle of making sure the public is educated on Green Bridge , DeBary Downs and what it could mean to DeBary," Gustafson said.

While she understands some people might see Delaware North's activities as an attempt to stifle competition, Gustafson sees it differently.

"The Kennel Club is a longstanding part of the community," she said. "They're not looking to go into the neighborhoods of West Volusia ."

The Kennel Club is attached to a larger metropolitan area, away from little neighborhoods, she said.

"This will be in the middle of a tight-knit community," she said of DeBary Downs.

The DeBary Downs people disagree. The property, just west of Gemini Springs, is out of DeBary's neighborhoods. It's near a power plant, a couple of parks and a convenience store, attorney David Romanik, also representing DeBary Downs, said.

City Council members will decide the fate of DeBary Downs, and they promised to listen to the residents of DeBary. Public opinion will play a major role.

City Council meeting - 9/17/08
 
Summary and highlights
 
River Bend presentation and update. Mr. Krzys presented the "Fair Share 
Agreement" prepared for discussion by the Council. It is an agreement 
with Empire Cattle(Mr. Costa), the City of DeBary and River Bend to 
share in the purchase and use of 5400 sq.' of property that would 
benefit all the parties. It is in the corner of Barwick and Ft Florida 
Road and will enable all the parties  to use that right of way for their 
specific needs in that area. It will also help expedite improving the 
road while construction is under way -with pervious coating -- and then 
impervious when the bulk of the construction work is done. Each party 
will share in the costs including Riviera Bella who will do the rest of 
the road from their property to Highbanks Road.
 
There were more details discussed such as reclaimed water lines, the 
roles the County and the SJWMD will play. I commented in my last summary 
that it would be intersting to hear how the River Bend property fared  
with Fay. Mr, Krzys either read my mind or the Summary because he said 
that the "flood water that came up from the river cleared up right after 
the rains stopped. The wetland delineation line was not breached 
significantly and the area where homes were going to be built - further 
back - were high and dry". He is still working to create an 
environmentally sensitive development. Some sections of the agreement 
were adjusted after comments were made by Councilmen Erickson, Lentzen 
and Marks. Mr. Langley and Mr Ardaman agreed and will incorporate the 
additions and changes and the revised Agreement will be given to the Council
 
Editorial Comment: The only way citizens can understand if a project is 
good or bad for them - and for the City - is to attend Council meetings 
and get all the facts first hand.
Once it starts filtering through second and third hand reports it 
becomes "Trick or Treat". The change in Council procedure of 2 meetings 
per month makes the meetings run smoother and SHORTER.
 
 
Council Meeting - 7PM
 
At the public participation portion, residents who have lived in DeBary 
for many years voiced their concern and consternation over the flooding 
of their homes. They and many people who spoke at the previous meeting 
repeated the question of why did it take so long to get moving on flood 
control projects when everyone knew- way back in "94 and '04 - that 
DeBary was vulnerable to flooding even after a heavy rain.
 
Editorial Comment: The City Manager explained how some of the County and 
SJWMD procedures create delays that can lead to time lost when time is 
of the essence.  It's not an excuse,but it shows that the priority and 
urgency were not acted upon in years gone by while other projects took 
precedence.
NOW is the time to make sure our priorities are correct and that they 
are in line with the needs of the citizens and the City - and are 
affordable.It's not enough to thump our chests because we have the 
lowest ad velorem tax. Fiscal sanity is more important - and trickier.
 
 
Committee Reports:- Our representative to the VGMC (Volusia Growth 
Management Committee ) Danny Allen,briefed the Council on the last 
meeting. It seems the VGMC is changing its direction and instead of 
working with the Cities, they are taking power away from the cities. It 
was suggested that a recommendation be made to the VGMC that they adhere 
to their Charter and other cities  should also urge them to do so.
 
On the subject of Committee Reports, it was suggested that the Chair of 
each committee appear before the Council and tell them - and the public- 
what they are working on, what they need,etc. to be more effective 
committees . They can appear once a month, every other month, etc. It 
was suggested that  the  EDAC and Public Safety  make their 
presentations at the October Council meeting.
 
Budget review:- A general discussion was held on a variety of subjects 
that the Council will have a better handle  on how various departments 
and staffing fit into the overall budget and the City's needs. The 
budget  was passed 5-0.
 
Work Program  using  inmates:-  Even though they are being used  by some 
cities, a discussion on costs and how they could be used  in  
Landscaping, mowing, etc in DeBary it was agreed
by the Council to have our City Attorney review the contract and remove 
any inconsistencies that may not be very clear.
 
Sheriff Department Interlocal Agreement:- More details were asked for 
by the Council, but since this is the last year of this particular 
contract and is mainly to adjust figures, it was agreed to  wait until 
next year to request a more adequate breakdown of costs to the City.
 
Moratorium:-  The City Attorney read the options available to the City 
and how each would be acceptable or a legal problem. It was agreed to 
wait until the  current storm
 
water problems
are taken care of and then look at the most critical areas. Evidently, 
there are a series of ordinances underway that will make it tougher for 
a developer to disregard where and how he wants to build and how it will 
effect the area around his project. New maps  are underway showing 
contours of the land, flood plain areas  and  stronger requirements 
before  permits can be issued.  The permitting process is the key. 
 
Additional discussion is scheduled for  the Oct. 15 meeting.
 
It was a good meeting.
 
John Likakis
POP

The League Of Women Voters of Volusia Countys website at http://www.lwvvc.org/elections.html has a lot of information that may be helpful, including a question and answer session with Mr. Garcia in the Election updates section under Municipal elections.

Click on the following link for Candidate Information and scroll down until you reach Municipal Elections/DeBary:

9/13: Check out Citizens' Editorials and DeBary Election 2008 for NEW editorials.

9/7: Van Conoley writes into DeBary Election '08 to tell supporters to tone down their rhetoric.

WHEN ORANGE CITY VOTES 4-3 TO ALLOW JOHN MCCUE TO "STEP DOWN" AND "PART WAYS" FOR 387,630 DOLLARS.

387,630 DOLLARS. I'VE HEARD OF GOLDEN PARACHUTES...BUT THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. IF I LIVED IN ORANGE CITY, I WOULD BE BEYOND LIVID.

387,630 DOLLARS TO FUND MCCUE'S RETIREMENT AND THEY'LL PROBABLY HIRE HIM BACK IN A FEW YEARS. 387,630 DOLLARS. MIGHT THIS HAVE COME ABOUT THROUGH PRIVATE MEETINGS?

McCue would also receive an annuity of $113,590 and 18 months of life, health, dental and disability insurance worth $32,219.

In my second time around, I want to come back as a City Manager just long enough to be fired. If this is getting fired, what the hell is a promotion in Orange City?

The City of DeBary is not endorsing any contractor or company for repairs or restoration work. The City of DeBary also reminds all citizens to check and make sure all contractors are licensed and insured prior to the start of work.

Contact Information

Community United Methodist Church of DeBary – (386) 668-4805 (live person from 8:30a-6p)

Baby Supplies, Bibles, Cleaning Supplies, Debris Removal, Short-term Food Distribution, Information Referral, Tear-out, and Rebuilding.

FEMA Recovery Center

A FEMA recovery center has been set up at the Orange City Wal-Mart, located at 2400 Veterans Parkway, Orange City. Hours of operations are 8 am to 6 pm seven days a week. This center will be open until further notice.

Debris Information

Debary Golf and Country Club for household garbage (no recycling, no yard debris, or furniture) can be taken next to the DeBary Public Library. Dates are Friday the 29 th through 2pm on Saturday the 30 th. Future dates are Tuesdays at noon until Thursdays at noon.

Residents of Glenn Abbey will have garbage pick-up as regularly scheduled. Waste pro is not able to pick up furniture or carpet. A dumpster is available at Bill Keller Park: 338 Colomba Rd. This dumpster is for large items such as furniture and carpet.

Donations

If any community members would like to make donations please contact the donations coordinators at Community United Methodist Church at (386) 668-4805.

Peanut Butter, Jelly, Instant Potatoes, Canned Meats (tuna, ham, or chicken), Spaghetti Sauce, Pasta, Macaroni and Cheese, Canned Vegetables / Fruit, Canned Pasta, Crackers, Soup (chicken noodle / tomato) Cereal, Pop-Tarts, and Powdered Milk / Shelf Milk.

Suggestions on how to improve City's response to future Hurricanes and Tropical Storms? Send them to POP to catalog for future action plan discussion.

Is NOW the time to discuss the high density growth around the future commuter rail necessary for the rail to be a success?

Is NOW the time to take a look at where the River Bend development would be to see how it would have fared during this event? Is most of it a flood zone? Would residents be told? Would wetlands remain? Will residents in the future come to a Council meeting and ask, "Why the @$*! did you build there?"

Is NOW the time to really look at where the two additional businesses North and East of Walgreens would be placed? You know the area I'm talking about...it's flooded.

Is NOW the time to look at the Costa development next to Meadowlea to see what would have happened? Is most of it a flood zone? Would residents be told? Would wetlands remain? Will residents in the future come to a Council meeting and ask, "Why the @$*! did you build there?"

Is NOW the time to look again at the development at Dirksen for additional paving, roofs, and other impervious surfaces and additional run-off and brinstorm preventative measures? Will residents of this development in the future come to a Council meeting and ask, "Why the @$*! did you build there?"

Is NOW the time to really address, learn, and act/vote differently because we've realized that the way we, and indeed the rest of the county and state, have been doing it is not the best way?

Or is the voodoo revenue from these projects so alluring that saying "No" isn't an option even though that revenue does not pay for the increased level of service necessary to maintain the development much less pay for its unintended consequences.

While saying "No" just to say "No" isn't necessarily the answer, perhaps our codes, thoughtful deliberation, discussion, and our current flooding situation are the new ingredients we should use rather than visions, a desire to be Winter Park, developers providing infrastructure, and illusory revenue.

The question is whether it will grow up. If Florida can reinvent itself, it can be the tip of the American spear, showing the nation how to save water and energy, manage growth, restore ecosystems and retool economies in an era of less. But that will require a new kind of reinvention. "We know how to crash and how to recover," says Miami historian Arva Moore Parks. "We don't seem to know how to learn."

Will we build two more businesses to the North and East of the Walgreens? Stop by and look behind Walgreens and imagine businesses back there WITHOUT fill. Who would pass this after we now know better...and when you know better you should perhaps do better. Will the Council learn?

State Attorney is ousted by challenger. Will the same happen with Sheriff Johnson? Are incumbents the new endangered species? Let us know what you think.

If saying "No" to the DeBary Downs Horsetrack now precludes the due process rights of the applicant, what does saying "Yes" to it do to the due process rights of DeBary citizens?

Saying what he thinks — DeBary Vice Mayor Chris Carson will leave office at the end of the year. In the meantime, he's saying what he thinks about plans for DeBary Downs, a proposed horse-racing track and poker room on the south end of town.

DeBary Vice Mayor Chris Carson has had a few months to think about a combination quarter-horse racetrack and poker room opening in DeBary. Carson, who's on his way out of office, doesn't mind if people know: He likes the idea.

Greenbridge Co. has proposed such a gambling facility, called DeBary Downs, and is currently in negotiations with the City of DeBary and state regulators.

Carson's maximum two terms in office end Dec. 31. He may not have the chance to vote on the required rezoning.

The land at the corner of Dirksen Drive and South U.S. Highway 17-92, where Greenbridge wants to build DeBary Downs, could be the setting for fairs and community events, drawing visitors from all over Volusia and Seminole counties, Carson said. Tourists would come up from the Orlando area, benefitting DeBary stores and restaurants, he added.

During a May 7 presentation, Ty Harris, the developer's attorney, told City Council members the grounds of DeBary Downs could be used for such events.

Greenbridge is talking of putting in a restaurant of its own, as well as a deluxe card room and perhaps a hotel.

Carson doesn't expect DeBary Downs to run a lot of horse races. He expects the poker room to be the focal point of the complex. While he doesn't play poker himself, Carson said, he has no objection to it. He doesn't believe the gambling operation will draw crime to Debary.

The complex would easily provide the City of DeBary with at least $400,000 a year in property taxes, Carson said. This, along with the business it would draw, will bring a new vitality to DeBary and enhance the town's commercial stretch, he said.

Carson figures if the City of Winter Springs can do it, so can DeBary. In his job as a facilities manager and special-events planner for Winter Springs, Carson has learned the power of events to draw business.

"It's really big over there," he said, drawing people from all of Seminole County and surrounding areas into little Winter Springs, population 31,000.

Winter Springs doesn't have a gambling facility. Carson believes DeBary, with a population under 17,000, could go even further.

"DeBary's going to contend with Winter Park and Mount Dora. And with less ad valorem taxes," he said.

Carson thinks DeBary Downs will make DeBary a magnet for day trips. Winter Park and Mount Dora draw heavily Central Floridians seeking entertainment within a day of home.

"Why should people go to Sanford, and not vice versa?" Carson asked, citing Volusia County residents who shop and dine in Sanford's historic district or go to bet on jai alai in Seminole County.

Alternate plans for the property at Dirksen and Highway 17-92 didn't pan out. The proposed Town Center was "a little scary," Carson said. Big chains backed out of putting in restaurants and a grocery store, he said.

"It will be developed some day," Carson said. He figures that development may as well be something that will set DeBary apart.

Meanwhile, Greenbridge spokeswoman Alison North Jones said the company is still going through the application process with the state, and won't put together formal plans to present to DeBary until that process is complete.

Department of Business and Professional Regulation Deputy Press Secretary Sam Farkas confirmed the application for DeBary Downs is still in the works and not yet approved.

DeBary City Manager Maryann Courson said she didn't expect the developers to bring plans to City Council until after the November election. Otherwise, they would have to cover the same ground with any new City Council members.

DeBary elects City Council members in November, but they don't take office until the following January.

Candidates Mark Meister and Van Conoley are competing for Carson's seat. Bob Garcia is running against incumbent Mayor George Coleman. City Council Member Jack Lenzen faces no opposition, so was automatically re-elected.

None of Carson's fellow City Council members have expressed enthusiasm for the DeBary Downs.

The proposed gambling facility faces vocal opposition from varied groups, including local churches and an East Volusia competitor, the Daytona Beach Kennel Club, which has been discussing a possible deal with Spring Garden Ranch in DeLeon Springs for a quarter-horse track and poker room in that community.

Estates at River Bend: A 6PM presentation was made by MR. Krzys to bring the Council up to date. There were new details designed to make the Development “greener”. More environmentally sound while maintaining the up-scale quality. Seems each time he comes back it is with something better than the time before. Left alone, without having to tackle all the legalese, he probably would have worked into the current direction. It’s called Limited Impact Development (LID). For more details, call City Hall.

Editor’s Comment: I sat through hours of the VGMC fiasco, 3 days of public hearings, assorted variations on the theme and Wednesday’s DVD presentation by Mr. Krzys of his vision for this development. Because this is so unique and sensitive, it was probably worth all the backing and filling to get to this position. And it will include control of how individual sites are laid out, tree preservation, “natural” storm water control, etc. If everything presented comes to pass, it will be worth it to the City, its citizens and water preservation.

Addendum: At the end of the presentation, Councilman Marks reported to the Council that he had spoken with Mr. Mica’s office regarding Ft. Florida Road and its importance to the Commuter Rail and to the developments along Ft. Florida Road. He asked for help from Mr. Mica to “Partner” with the city because of the increased traffic. His staff seemed to think it is a good idea and a letter will be drafted to Mr. Mica outlining the needs.

Regular meeting: Mr. Cheney of Volusia County Traffic Engineering presented a request for the City of DeBary to join with other cities in adopting a methodology prepared by the MPO on West Volusia traffic/transportation. Cost: 50,000 dollar per city. Councilman Lenzen said that “all the other partners are larger than DeBary, yet will pay the same. Not fair.” Councilman Marks also stated that DeBary is just about built out and is in the process of cutting where we can. It’s not a good time.

Citizen Satisfaction Survey: Reviewed and revised and will be prepared for mailing to the citizens of DeBary.

The meeting ended at just before 9PM. The Staff’s agenda and two meetings a month is much appreciated by the backsides of the citizens in the pews.

Summary and Highlights (delayed because the web-master was away on Family “business”.)

Sheriff Johnson and Laura Bounds presented their needs for a 5.28% budget increase for the City of DeBary. “Everyone got hit” said Sheriff Johnson. He lost 33 Deputies.* All city share the cost of services and equipment. He said the costs cannot be negotiated. Councilmen Erickson, Marks and Lenzen asked for a 2% increase for DeBary and maybe eliminate some “services”. Maybe a 3% increase would save a Deputy or add one to DeBary. Councilmen Marks asked for a breakdown of costs. The Sheriff said it would be difficult and they agreed to discuss this at a later date. Council will review the contract and get back to Sheriff Johnson.

*Editorial comment: I would have scorched the telephone wires to Bruno and Crist as soon as I knew 33 Deputies were to be cut. With crime rising, it doesn’t make sense. What make sense is to cut a few “Pork Barrel” projects and you would have the millions needed for Deputies.

With a few minor changes, the report is ready to be sent to Tallahassee for review and comment.

With a few minor changes in the buffer zone, they can submit final site plans for approval. It will be a 3-story 42 room hotel.

There are still questions on just how far the lot on 17/92 will intrude into No Name Lake. Mr. Watts stated they will meet all infrastructure requirements and the Master Storm Water Plan is capable of handling water capacity. The City Manager suggested they return to the Council before Final Plat is approved. There is no indication on what will be built on either lot. Councilmen Erickson asked if Lots 1 (Walgreens),2, and 3 will be recorded as required as a condition of approval. Mr. Watts said “Yes”. The developer agreed to provide the infrastructure necessary to avoid the performance guarantee. The vote was 3-2 with Erickson and Marks dissenting.

*Editorial comment: I don’t remember exactly why! The Planning Staff spelled it out in detail what had to be met in the Land Development Code. Chapter and Verse. Payments of recording fees, recording the Final Plat, a performance guarantee and before any building permits are issued for Lots 2 & 3. The property owner should submit a Final Site Plan application that meets the requirements. Etc… “Each site plan will require review and approval by the City Council”.

This is what is supposed to be done to protect the City and its Citizens. Maybe I missed something or Mr. Watts cast his spell on the Council to favor the property owner.

A suggested mailer was prepared to take the pulse of the Citizens on a variety of subjects. After reviewing the mailer, it was decided to make some changes in the format and some of the questions before submitting it to the Council for review.

Why is the rainiest swath of America facing the prospect of structural drought? And we have water management districts?

"And South Florida is having an ecological and hydrological meltdown, the legacy of a century of plumbing and dredging and growing without much thinking."

Is Florida the Sunset State?

Water Crisis Mortgage Fraud Political Dysfunction Algae Polluted Beaches Declining Crops Failing Public Schools Foreclosures

Otherwise, there's trouble in paradise. We're facing our worst real estate meltdown since the Depression. We've got a water crisis, insurance crisis, environmental crisis and budget crisis to go with our housing crisis. We're first in the nation in mortgage fraud, second in foreclosures, last in high school graduation rates. Our consumer confidence just hit an all-time low, and our icons are in trouble--the citrus industry, battered by freezes and diseases; the Florida panther, displaced by highways and driveways; the space shuttle, approaching its final countdown. New research suggests that the Everglades is collapsing, that our barrier beaches could be under water within decades, that a major hurricane could cost us $150 billion.

We do wish you were here, because attracting outsiders has always been our primary economic engine, and our engine is sputtering. Population growth is at a 30-year low. School enrollment is declining. Retirees are drifting to the Southwest and the Carolinas, while would-be Floridians who bought preconstruction condos in more optimistic times are scrambling--and often suing--to break contracts. This is our dotcom bust, except worse, because our local governments are utterly dependent on construction for tax revenues, so they're slashing school and public-transportation budgets that were already among the nation's stingiest. "This may be our tipping point," says former Senator Bob Graham.

Florida was once a swampy rural backwater, the poorest and emptiest state in the South. But in the 20th century, air-conditioning, bug spray and the miracle of water control helped transform it into a migration destination for the restless masses of Brooklyn and Cleveland, Havana and Port-au-Prince. Florida developed its own ventricle at the heart of the American Dream--not only as an affordable playground and comfortable retirement home with no income tax but also as a state of escape and opportunity, a Magic Kingdom for tourists, a Fountain of Youth for seniors, a Cape Canaveral for Northerners looking to launch their second acts. Even the soggy Everglades, once considered a God-forsaken hellhole, became a national treasure.

But now the financial and environmental bill for a century of runaway growth and exploitation is coming due. The housing bust has exposed a human pyramid scheme--an economy that relied on a thousand newcomers a day, too many of them construction workers, mortgage bankers, real estate agents and others whose livelihoods depended on importing a thousand more newcomers the next day. And the elaborate water-management scheme that made southern Florida habitable has been stretched beyond capacity, yo-yoing between brutal droughts and floods, converting the Everglades into a tinderbox and a sewer, ravaging the beaches, bays, lakes and reefs that made the region so alluring in the first place. "The dream is fading," says University of South Florida historian Gary Mormino. "People think Florida is too crowded, too spoiled, too expensive, too crazy, too many immigrants--name your malady."

Still, the winters really are great! And this doom-and-glooming might sound familiar. In 1981, TIME declared crime- and drug-plagued South Florida a "Paradise Lost." The region then embarked on an epic boom. Southeast Florida--including Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach--ballooned into the nation's seventh largest metro, while southwest Florida--Naples, Cape Coral, Fort Myers--became the fastest-growing metro. Last year 82.4 million visitors found their way to this lost paradise. And last month Governor Charlie Crist unveiled a $1.75 billion deal to buy the U.S. Sugar Corp. and its 187,000 acres of farmland, a move that would help restore the Everglades. It's the state's best eco-news in decades.

So lifers like seventh-generation Floridian Allison DeFoor--lawyer, lobbyist, historian, Episcopal minister, environmental consultant and Republican operative--are disinclined to panic just yet. "Sure, it's the end of Florida as we know it," DeFoor quips. "It's always the end of Florida as we know it."

Florida's history is lush with volatility and flimflam. As Groucho Marx's real estate huckster warned in The Cocoanuts in 1929, "You can even get stucco! Oh, how you can get stucco." But eventually, the lies always seemed to come true, because there were always new dreamers from cold climates, and worthless swampland was just a drainage canal and a zoning variance away from becoming a golf-course subdivision.

Yet even boosters admit that Florida's Miracle-Gro has created many of its current problems. "We need steady growth, not crazy growth," Crist says. There's a sense that paradise has been ruined by awful traffic, overcrowded schools, overtapped aquifers and polluted beaches. The land of Disney dreams for the middle class is now a high-cost, low-wage state with Mickey Mouse schools and Goofy insurance rates, living beyond its environmental and economic means in harm's way. As peculiar as it sounds, this go-for-broke state of boundless possibilities--the land of Kimbo Slice, Miami Vice and Mar-a-Lago--might be leading America into a new era of limits.

Juan Puig embodied the Florida dream, proving that an ordinary guy with moxie could make a fortune and enjoy the high life by selling the dream to others. A Cuban immigrant, he started his career as a janitor and then a baggage handler at the Miami airport, living in a Hialeah apartment without air-conditioning, peddling sunglasses to co-workers on the side. In the 1990s, he discovered real estate, rehabbing and selling a few foreclosed duplexes, then developing town houses and branching into condo conversions as the market went nuts. He soon built a statewide empire with 300 employees, including a staff priest who blessed his projects. He bought a waterfront mansion in Coral Gables, a fleet of classic cars, a Ferretti yacht, huge collections of fine wine, Cuban art and luxury watches. Just last year he spent $80,000 on an antique billiard table.

Puig's financial records were a mess, and his accountant was a convicted felon with ties to the Colombian drug kingpin, Pablo Escobar. But that never seemed to bother Puig's investors or lenders, who kept showering him with money as long as condo prices kept soaring. It certainly didn't bother Puig, who explained in a recent deposition that he never paid attention to his books, in part because his expertise was in matters like where to advertise property and whether to paint the doors yellow or white, and in part because he never imagined the Florida housing market could tank: "Of course, I trusted that the business, like always, would be successful."

Of course, he got stucco. Now that South Florida has tied Las Vegas as the nation's fastest-tanking real estate market, Puig is bankrupt, with $80 million in debts. His mansion was liquidated for $11.4 million, and his yacht went back to the bank. At Puig's bankruptcy auction, bidders competed for a necklace studded with 226 diamonds, a Sopranos pinball machine, a 1965 Ferrari, nine designer bikes and other bubble baubles. The billiard table went for $25,000. "It's amazing how fast it all came crashing down," says Puig's criminal defense attorney, Joel Hirschhorn.

In the Paradise Lost days, Hirschhorn worked the white-powder bar, representing Medellín cartel leaders and other cocaine cowboys. Then he wore a pinkie ring with a two-carat diamond; now he wears Brooks Brothers and defends fraud cases. "It's where the action is," he explains with a grin. An epidemic of inflated appraisals, exaggerated incomes, straw buyers--and the lax regulation to enable it all--has made Florida tops in mortgage fraud, according to the Mortgage Asset Research Institute; in a recent Palm Beach County case, a grocery cashier's salary was listed as $344,000 a year. And Paul Singerman, bankruptcy counsel for Puig's companies, is even busier. His firm represents the Florida home builders Tousa Inc. and Levitt and Sons, which happen to be the nation's two largest bankrupt home builders, along with droves of failing contractors, landscapers and architects. "I got two calls from window distributors this week," Singerman told me. "A tile guy called this morning."

Keep the cell phone on, Paul. In some Miami high-rises, the foreclosure rate is as high as 1 in 4, and owners who still own are getting nailed with huge condo fees to make up for the lost revenue. Florida banks repossessed 620% more property last year than in 2006, and they're starting to unload nonperforming real estate loans for as low as 30¢ on the dollar. Miami topped a recent list of America's worst housing markets, just ahead of Orlando, with Tampa fourth. From 20% to 40% of the speculators who waited on lines to buy preconstruction condos during the boom are expected to walk away from those investments before closing; many are turning to a new cottage industry of get-your-deposit-back lawyers. "The ambulance chasers are everywhere," says developer Jorge Pérez, the so-called Trump of the Tropics, whose Related Group faces more than 100 lawsuits by remorseful buyers. "We've gone from euphoria to panic in a year."

And we haven't hit bottom. The glutted Miami market already has a five-year inventory, but Peter Zalewski of Condo Vultures says 22,000 more condos are still under construction downtown, which will double the supply. "Just wait. We haven't even started to feel what we're going to feel," he says.

That's also true in Florida's exurban boomtowns, communities like Homestead, Port St. Lucie and Kissimmee, that subprime borrowers flocked to for cheaper land and better deals. Now their homes are going back to the bank, and their neighborhoods are dotted with unmowed lawns and mosquito-infested pools. "Those lower-priced options are the places that are going to hurt for a long time," says Wayne Archer, head of the University of Florida's real estate program.

The problem is, even those lower-priced options aren't cheap. Florida's prices remain higher than the national average--especially when you count sky-high property taxes and insurance premiums that can be as burdensome as mortgage payments--while its wages are lower. Fitch Ratings warned that when a big hurricane hits, Florida's insurance market "could effectively collapse." That won't jump-start a recovery.

Nobody used to worry about the Big One hitting Florida, because it was a waterlogged wilderness. "It is a land of swamps, of quagmires, of frogs and alligators and mosquitoes!" a Congressman scoffed. "A man, sir, would not immigrate into Florida--no, not from hell itself!" In 1880, Florida ranked 34th of 42 states and territories in population, and the census found only 257 residents in most of South Florida.

Florida's leaders believed that if they could just drain the swamp, they could turn a peninsular wasteland into a recreational, agricultural and residential paradise. They failed catastrophically. In 1928, a hurricane blasted Lake Okeechobee, killing some 2,000 pioneers that their promises had drawn to the Everglades.

But U.S. Army engineers eventually made the dream come true by imprisoning Lake O behind a giant dike, subduing the Everglades with 2,000 miles of levees and canals, seizing control of nearly every raindrop that fell in southern Florida. Their all-out war on natural water flow made the bottom half of the state safe for an unrestrained building frenzy that began after World War II and basically continued until Juan Puig bought his billiard table. Florida now has 18 million residents, most of them south of Orlando. Such progress had a price. Half the Everglades is gone. The rest is polluted, disconnected and infested by invasive species ranging from fast-growing ferns to pythons.

And South Florida is having an ecological and hydrological meltdown, the legacy of a century of plumbing and dredging and growing without much thinking. The Everglades ecosystem now hosts 69 threatened or endangered species, and its rookeries and fisheries have crashed. Massive algal blooms are turning Florida Bay into pea soup. The region's reefs have lost up to 95% of their elkhorn coral; persistent red tides have made it tough for sunbathers to breathe at the beach.

Now the rainiest swath of the country is running dry, facing a specter of structural droughts. And the dike around Lake O. is leaking so badly that water managers routinely dump billions of precious gallons out of the lake to avoid a 1928-style calamity, ravaging estuaries and draining the region's water supply. This spring the lake fell so low that 40,000 acres of its exposed bottom burned out of control, along with 40,000 acres of the perennially parched Everglades National Park.

We have water, water, everywhere, but much of South Florida's per capita use is 50% above the national average, and we've lost half the wetlands that used to recharge our aquifers. So water shortages threaten to limit growth in a way that wetlands regulations or bad headlines never could. "Florida is astonishingly wasteful," says Cynthia Barnett, author of Mirage: Florida and the Vanishing Water of the Eastern U.S. Now the Orlando area is pushing to suck water out of rivers to its north, local utilities are jacking up water rates as much as 35%, and South Florida's water board may cap withdrawals from Everglades aquifers. "The idea of water shortages down here never occurred to anyone," says environmentalist Shannon Estenoz, a Crist appointee to the board. "But we've got to change the culture because the status quo is unsustainable."

It's not just gator-huggers who say that. Back in 1995, a 42-member commission stocked with bankers, farmers and developers released a unanimous report declaring South Florida unsustainable, warning that the ecosystem's destruction was hurting people as well as panthers by lowering water tables, increasing flood risks, fueling gridlock and replacing paradise with "mind-numbing homogeneity, and a distinct lack of place." In the words of the novelist and columnist Carl Hiaasen, the bard of Florida's decline, "You don't have to be a wacko enviro to want your kids to be able to swim in a lake or maybe see an animal that isn't in a cage or a seaquarium. And even people who don't give a rat's ass about the panther will care when saltwater comes out of their faucets."

That's why Democrats, Republicans, the sugar industry and environmentalists came together in 2000 to support a $12 billion plan to revive the Everglades, the largest ecosystem-restoration project in history. But the project has stumbled and stalled, which is why Crist's sugar deal is so exciting. It will essentially take Everglades restoration back to the drawing board, reviving hope for a free-flowing River of Grass and a stable water supply.

But quality of life remains the biggest risk to the Florida dream. So many Northeastern transplants are leaving Florida for other states with less congestion and better education systems that they have their own nickname: Halfbacks. In 2000, Florida attracted 19% of the nation's migrating seniors; by 2006, it was only 13%. Florida still has some of America's richest ZIP codes, but it ranks among the worst states in school spending and health coverage.

The GOP-controlled legislature has responded to the state's woes with protracted arguments about evolution and other Terri Schiavo--style social issues as well as legislation proposing crackdowns on bikers who pop wheelies, students who wear droopy pants and truckers who hang fake cojones on their rigs. It also slashed $5 billion from the state budget. "I just got in an argument about whether we're 50th or 45th in the nation in graduation rates," says Florida house minority leader Dan Gelber. "What a great debate to have."

I was already feeling grumpy about all this when I watched a lecture by the University of Miami's renowned coastal geologist Harold Wanless. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had predicted a sea-level rise of up to 2 ft. by 2100, but Wanless meticulously explained why 3 ft. to 4 ft. is much more likely--assuming the world can slash carbon emissions enough to slow global warming. I live in Miami Beach, so I didn't care for his PowerPoint slide showing much of Miami Beach under water. "That's if we get our act together," he said. Then he showed a slide of all Miami Beach submerged. "That's if we don't."

I felt better after talking to the bubbly Crist, who's like human Prozac. "How can you not be optimistic about Florida?" he asked. "Is there a more beautiful place on the planet?" He then recounted a story that probably won't help him in the GOP Veepstakes: "John McCain told me, 'It's tough in those Rust Belt states. You really feel a bit of depression in people's outlook. But when you get to Florida, people feel great.' And it's true! The outlook is always bright here!" When I reminded him of Florida's growth-challenged economy and growth-ravaged environment, he took no offense. "We're going to make a new Florida!" he declared.

He means a sustainable Florida. He's been doing his part environmentally, pushing a sweeping energy bill through the fractious legislature, fulfilling his pledge to be the "Everglades governor." His greatest challenge, though, is economic sustainability, attracting high-wage industries that don't depend on perpetual growth. His predecessor, Jeb Bush, lured a few biotech firms, with the help of lavish subsidies, and Crist has targeted green-tech sectors like solar power as well as global trade. But not even corporate titans who enjoy Florida vacations seem eager to relocate to a high-priced state with a service-economy workforce and troubled schools. "The decisions about relocating high-paying businesses are made by people who value education, and Florida isn't ready for the modern economy," says Graham, the former Senator. New corporate subsides will be a tough fiscal sell. "The politicians have told us: Not if it costs money," says Space Coast economic-development director Lynda Weatherman. The shuttle will be canceled in 2010, and her region may lose 6,000 jobs. "Six thousand one, if I can't figure out how to attract new ones," she says.

Still, did I mention the winters are nice? As baby boomers retire, as Hispanic markets expand, as leftist dictators harass wealthy South Americans, some people will always want to come to Florida. In anticipation of the next boom, developer Pérez has set up a $1 billion fund to buy distressed properties, and Zalewski of Condo Vultures has been besieged by foreign investors. "Eventually, Florida is going to grow again," he says.

Although I’ve spoken about this for a number of years, citizens such as Mr. Harrington and others have suggested the same idea on their own. Councilman Erickson also mentioned it at the last meeting. It’s Districting. And maybe it’s time to give it some serious discussion among yourselves and the public. Consider it as a future Agenda item.

Districting: This is an opportunity to show the people of DeBary that you care about them and what is happening around them from one end to the other.

It’s fortunate that the City is divided perfectly by 17/92 and Highbanks Rd. Districting will make DeBary a move civic oriented City, neater, cleaner, more trouble – fee responsive City that could be the envy of the Cities around us. A better place to work and live.

The Council will select and assign a councilman to each quadrant. For a two year term or whatever is decided. Then rotate them. Notify everyone about this through the Newsletter, a letter to every household and at the first Council meeting after establishing the Districts.

To make it work, a simple procedure needs to be followed. If there’s a problem in your District, i.e. a broken sidewalk, downed tree, trash not being picked up or piling up around a house, broken fencing or something that may affect our quality of life, the first call should be made to City hall. They are responsible for the day to day running of the City. They may be able to answer your concern or direct you to the one who can. For instance: Zoning, permitting, flooding, code enforcement and so on. Make note of who you speak with, date, and time.

If you do not get a reasonable answer and/or callback date with the answer you need or more information, the next call or e-mail would be to the councilman assigned to your area (district). Remember, they may work and be unable to get back to you right a way but should be able to return your call within a day, barring vacation, travel or other reason you would be made aware of..

If it’s an emergency, then make the appropriate 911 call or if it’s not life threatening but needs a fairly quick response – tree across a road – call the City Manager or Assistant City Manager who should be able to start whatever procedure is required.

To the people of DeBary, I say, “It’s your city, your tax dollars at work. There’s no reason not to work with the people you elected and the Staff that was hired to keep the City humming.”

A reasonable request and courtesy from everyone can make things happen to everyone’s satisfaction. Try not to make calls during dinner hours – 5:30 – 7PM if you’re calling your District Councilman.

I think Districting can be implemented quickly and easily but my suggestion is to prepare for it now – work out the details – and be ready to start with the Council that will be in place in January 2009.

This is a chance to unify the City and make it better for everyone. Try it. You just might like it.

There will be extra copies of this speech for anyone that wants one on the desk upon entering the Town Hall.

This was a review of questions and answers regarding the water and sewer lines and paving Fort Florida Road. Will it be better to work from the North boundary down or from 17/92 across and up? Piecemeal paving or a larger section right off the bat? Councilman marks suggested getting the Commuter Rail people involved in paving the section that will be part of the Station from 17/92 to Barwick. As in past meetings, Mr. Krcz was ready to work with the City and its citizens to get things done in the best way – schedules, costs, etc.

Mr. Wannamaker estimated the completion date to be around the first week in November. He was asked to be the “overseer” of the project between now and then and agreed with Councilman Erickson who suggested a meeting once a month to keep everyone up-to-date on the progress.

The Council switched hats to become the Land Planning Agency and discuss some changes and then reconvened as the City Council. It was decided to send the report up to the DCA, who will review it and return it with changes, suggestions, etc. The City Council will then review those comments from the DCA.

Consolidating voting dates with National Election dates which would make new Councilmen and future Councilmen serve 4 years instead of 3. Councilman Erickson suggested 2 of the “Whereas” clauses be removed because they were judgmental in preference of 4 years rather than 3 years when it was the desire of the Council to let the electorate decide how they feel about it. Yet another reason to get out and vote in November.

Amended to allow homeowners who are on a corner and thus have two street sides be able to erect a 6’ privacy fence on one side from the face of the house to the back. The front will be where the entry door is located. The Ordinance will be referenced in the Land Development Code. Check with City hall before starting.

The Agreement was reviewed again with two Representatives of the project. Pierson and Orange City have signed on and after discussion regarding “no costs” – grant money and sponsor money – to DeBary and establishing a partnership to make it work; it was agreed to participate with an option to opt out if the Council so desires.

The two lots – one behind and one alongside of Walgreen – were to be discussed. The subject was moved to 7/16.

This Company handles all the mowing and landscaping for the City and has asked for a renewal of its contract for a three year period. City Council decided to send out for bids before granting the next contract.

The meeting ended a little after 9 PM!!! Wow! Suggests that having two meetings a month, topics need not be rushed through and everybody can get home at a decent time. This may even increase citizen attendance once they find out.

I’d give this an unequivocal “Hooray”, but that means I have to do this TWICE a month. Oh well.

When you are sworn in as Councilmen, you take an oath which dates back to the Athenian City/State of Ancient Greece. Here are a few excerpts:

We will never bring disgrace to our City. We will revere and obey the City’s laws and do our best to incite a like respect to those above us.

When you settle into those chairs, you accept a responsibility to the City, to its Citizens, to yourself and to your fellow Councilmen to work with each other.

From their first meeting to the most current the information presented by the two new Councilmen, Lenny Marks and Norm Erickson, has been basically ignored by the three incumbents, George Coleman, Chris Carson, and Jack Lenzen. And what follows is directed at them:

It was obvious that the three of you couldn’t wait for Erickson and Marks to finish speaking so you could jump in with a prepared response that had little or no relation to the facts being presented. Comp Plan abuse. Land Development Codes, Zoning violations. Facts. Not hearsay from ignorant people as you were led to believe. The last Council meeting brought some of these facts home to roost.

The discussion of the Evaluation and Appraisal Report (EAR) and its problems hit home at the June 6 th meeting. Initially you were prepared to ignore what was being presented. The look on your faces said so. However, it was soon obvious what was happening and it was time to listen. And you can’t blame anyone but yourselves for not reading the information given to each of the three of you.

Did you accept the opinion of others without first reading what you were given to read, absorb, question and decide - is this good for the City, the environment, its citizens, the costs, special interests? If that’s asking too much, then you shouldn’t be on the Council. In spite of the 3-2 votes against the facts, you should know by now it will not be business as usual anymore. Before they sat in their first meeting, the new Councilmen were told by former Councilmen and staff– “Wait ‘til you get up there and see how you’ll change.” Well. They kept their promise to the people and it’s the Council that will change as more and more people become aware of the truth. No more personal agendas. And that’s what will be expected of each of the two elected members of the Council and Councilman Lenzen, who has run unopposed.

It was a disgrace when the EAR problems were being presented and it was obvious that the three of you nor the City Manager had read it. What is more, you didn’t even bring the binder to be able to review the questionable items. Unfortunately, this happens all too often. You’re briefed on each Agenda item and are prepared to vote accordingly. Who needs a pile of paper to rummage through? What would have happened if questions were not asked on the EAR? The RiverBend project? Zoning violations? Comp Plan being ignored?

How do you justify approvals without immersing yourselves in the pros and cons of an item before voting? You three are responsible for a multi-million dollar budget of the people’s money. How do you expect the citizens to trust your judgment on how their money is spent if you don’t do what they elected you to do?

You’re probably going to deny everything I’ve written but the facts remain for all to see. In a few months it will be election time. With a little luck the public will not consider it a popularity contest but a review of the facts at hand and how the City has been governed under your stewardship.

Public Participation: I read a short statement regarding the $600,000 that was for Rob Sullivan Skateboard Park. When the Grant fell through, the money was to go to the General Fund for other uses. One was to improve Parking because of the dangerous overcrowding during events. This was approved and bids are to be called for – estimate about $77,000. The cover sheet terminology read, “City Council budgeted $600,000 of General Fund monies for improvements to Rob Sullivan…etc”. The money was not specifically for the Park. The other uses – essentials to the City – could be more hydrants, weather radios for elderly and homebound citizens, an extra generator or pump, a regular cop or fireman, or a traffic light at Enterprise and Summerhaven. With a Parks budget of $771,000 + I can’t see adding anymore to Parks, particularly when budgets are going to be cut. I asked that the balance after the Parking Lot is done be returned to the General Fund.

Editorial note: When the subject was brought up again towards the end of the meeting, by Councilman Erickson, there seemed to be a lot of confusion as to what the actual amount was and where it belonged. Should it have been $500,000 - $300,000? Are we so flush with money that we don’t need to keep track of hundreds of thousands of dollars anymore?

The first Agenda item was the Evaluation and Appraisal Report (EAR) and a review of the changes that had to be made. Some were made, some were not. More items were discussed with GAI – Map changes, Comp Plan corrections, costs, levels of service, etc. It was recommended these changes be done and reviewed once more before the EAR goes to Tallahassee. The 2 nd Reading would be at the July 2 nd Council Meeting. If more time is needed an extension could be obtained from the Department of Community Affairs (DCA).

Editorial note: It was a good review by the Council and GAI. The exception was our Council switching hats to become the Land Planning Agency and then revert back to the Council status to vote. Most cities have separate Building, Planning, Zoning departments that are well versed in the nuances of building, permitting, restrictions, pitfalls, etc. for a given area. Otherwise, mistakes can be made because – they don’t know what they don’t know. That’s how we’ve gotten in trouble in the past.

The Council said it could not rule on it at this time. The multi-page document required a lot more study – and rightly so. As Councilman Lenzen said, “Downtown 17/92 doesn’t lend itself as a scenic highway.” There could also be hidden costs that are not easily spotted in the document or later “down the road”! This just goes to show – again – just one of many benefits that come from reading the packet of information the Council is given; the other is the City not getting mired in a poor agreement.

Three projects were listed. The Mast Arm Traffic Signal was OK’d. The other three were put on hold. The Mast Arm Signal at 17/92 and Highbanks is needed for safety reasons due to increased traffic and turn lanes into Walgreens; however, cost, at this time, was a concern for the other two Councilmen with the budget still in its formative stages.

Budget: Finance Administrator Jimmy Seelbinder gave a brief overview of what he is looking for fromthe Council. He also stated that the County’s figures would not be available until July 1 st. However, there are areas he can work on to see where cuts can be made in various departments. Councilmen Marks and Lenzen presented their suggestions for overall cuts of 5%-10%.

Next meeting: - July 2nd at 6PM. Workshop meeting for River Bend Estates. Note to Council: read the Development Agreement; as Riviera Bella proves, it is the only thing that matters. Read Norm Erickson’s editorial about it just below this article.

Just a reminder: The Council will meet two times a month - 1st and 3rd Wednesdays - beginning with the next meeting. This could shorten the meeting allowing the public to get home at a decent hour. July’s meetings will be the 2nd and 16th.

We’ve not reached standing room only status yet, so you’re welcome to attend.

The Riviera Bella agreement is only seven and a half pages long and no one seemingly read it. It was signed off by the Council of 1998. It was amended in 2002, 2003 and 2006. In the original agreement the “development of the entire subdivision shall be completed within 10 years of the date of execution of this agreement unless extended by agreement between the parties”(dev. Agreement 1998, pg 4. “shall” and “unless” in one sentence?) Although the first development agreement called for the completion of the construction in January of 2008, the 2002 Council extended the completion date to 2012.

The Reuse Water requirements of the city were waived in the original agreement see page 6 of the development agreement.

“The Developer will construct Fort Florida Road according to the requirements of the Land Development Code from it’s existing paved terminus on HighBanks Rd to the southern most gated access point into the subdivision” Dev. Agreement 1998, pg 6. Paving roads is a short paragraph and Exhibit B is referenced; Exhibit B is unreadable. As pointed out, paving south of the main entrance is at the developer’s discretion because on page 4 of the agreement: “The project is proposed for development in a maximum of 7 phases. Each phase will be platted separately. Infrastructure for each phase will be adequate to support the lots in that phase.”

Pg 7: "The City shall only enforce the provisions of the “Development Agreement” …and not the private agreements entered into between the aforementioned parties.” This makes it difficult to persuade the developer to do something they may not want to. In addition, according to the agreement, they simply have to follow the agreement and it benefits them rather than the residents or the City. While many may have “thought” things were going to be done differently, that is not the case.

Perhaps we should leave assumptions, private expectations, inferences, and what was said anywhere at anytime to anyone at the door. If it’s NOT in the development agreement, then it is meaningless. The only thing that matters is the agreement. The development agreements are written by the developer for the developer, so of course he or she will be asking for the moon and stars. The Council always has the final say on such issues and the way to respond to the agreement is through the Land Development Codes, the Comp Plan, listening to citizens and using common sense; this list is not in order of importance.

In the past I’ve put too much blame on the developers. They can ask for anything they want. It’s up to the Council to say YES, NO, or YES WITH CONDITIONS.

The mistakes of the past do encroach on the present; the mistakes of the present will come back to us in the future. Even with the most stringent due diligence, mistakes will slip through but let’s not open the floodgates. Let’s learn from the past and not repeat it.

The Council needs to read their packet and development agreements; it’s what they signed up for when they ran for office. The Council should do its homework, trust but verify and hold individuals accountable. The Council also sits on the Land Planning Agency which is an agency that must be conversant with City codes and Comp Plans to make informed, lawful decisions. It’s what will be required of those seeking office now. When the Council (and other City Councils) does not follow their Comp Plans, we get what we have now: traffic, over crowded schools, water crisis, environmental impacts, and reduced quality of life because we’ve grown too fast to provide service: roads, water, sewage.

I’m not a fundamentalist when it comes to these Codes and neither are the Codes themselves; they admit that when common sense dictates other solutions or hardships are created by following the Codes, DON’T follow the letter of the law but rather the spirit; it seems that few Councils in the past have done either. I’ve heard a number of times over the years how boring the Land Development Code is and how it puts one to sleep. A natural cure-all for insomnia. That’s an unfortunate mindset when it is that document coupled with the Comp Plan that we use to control our destiny, informs the Council of their rights, and is the instrument used to implement the desires, wishes, and goals of the citizens while at the same time giving ample evidence to reject unwelcome projects and issues facing our City.

6/20: Mark Meister responds in DeBary Election 2008 link. A new Citizen's Editorial in Citizens' Editorials about the City Manager and the Skateboard Park article in the Deland-Deltona Beacon.

As always, this will be a summary of specific happenings that you should know about. They are not necessarily in Agenda order.

* Let’s start with Resolution #08-10 - Amending FY 2007/08 Annual Operating budget.

The Amendment was to update the amount to be budgeted for Building Permits and Inspections including zoning and code enforcement. Since this was a relatively new category for the City, $114, 460 was budgeted for Income and $123, 556 for Expenditures. There was a deficit of $9,096. The Amendment calls for an increase of $293, 570 in Revenues and an increase of $293, 570 in expenditures. Never mind the accounting details at the moment. The big numbers are Professional Svcs - Building Dept. Svcs. Going from $10,000 to $278,000. Since there was no history for this in previous budgets, $10,000 was put in to establish the category. That’s OK except for one thing. When asked how many permits had been issued in the last 6 months…no one knew. So how was the $278,000 calculated? The $9,096 deficit still stands. The Law says a City can’t make money in this category, but we’re also not supposed to lose money - in effect subsidizing growth with taxpayer dollars. The Resolution needs to be re-done and submitted at the next Council meeting.

*Addendum: While preparing this a few days after the meeting, I was given a figure of 90 - 100 permits were issued PER MONTH for the last 10 months. This means that anywhere from 900 to 1000 permits have been issued in the last 10 months. Can this be correct? Given that the number of permits issued is necessary to calculate the cost increases, someone should have had a ballpark number available. I also have figures from Volusia County Dept. of Economic Development showing 9 Commercial Permits and 19 Residential Permits for the last 9 months.

*The River Bend project Development Agreement is being re-written and was not ready for discussion. It will be moved up to the next meeting. There was a workshop on May 30 th where numerous residents expressed concern as to how and when the paving of Ft. Florida Rd will be done. The road is getting damaged with excess traffic and they want to know if the paving will be North to South or vice versa. I guess many thought they would be getting water, sewer lines and paving in one fell swoop. Not so. A number of good ideas were discussed and will be fleshed out by the next meeting. Hopefully with the help of Mr. Costa and Riviera Bella.

Request to increase the annual fee by $24.00 - $132 to $156. Numerous changes were discussed - skip a week on yard waste pick-up, Winter vs. Summer schedules, etc. After much discussion it was determined to approve the increase by a 3-2 vote. I think with some additional discussion a slight reduction might have been negotiated. To someone living on a fixed income - Social Security, pension, etc., adding a couple of bucks here and there on food, electricity, phone, gasoline, medicines, taxes, etc. can create quite a burden. Don’t sell our older residents short. They represent 55% of DeBary households. And they vote. Now if I can just get more of them to attend Council meetings!

An impressive collection of information with charts and graphs and innumerable pages of narrative. It also weighs about 3 pounds. The weight must have been intimidating because not every Councilman brought their 3-ring binder with all the goodies. Who needs it, anyway. Previous Councils would have passed this in the blink of an eye.

Two of them not only brought their three-ring binders but also read most of it. Enough to find significant errors before sending it to the Dept. of Community Affairs (DCA) and embarrassing the City. More important, the public was not part of the EAR Scoping Meeting held on 8/15/07. Mr. Marks and I were two of the four “public”. This disregard of public involvement on important things continues to this day. Going to page one of the original Scoping meeting, the first paragraph on the objective of the meeting ends with this sentence: “We are interested in the public’s assistance to insure that we establish the proper scope.” Then go to the “Timeline for preparing the EAR” and item eleven out of twelve reads: “Public hearing with elected body and adoption of the EAR.” The date for this is “June 25, 2008 for adoption of the EAR by City Council.” So, what do the citizen’s of DeBary get for $140,000? That’s not a typo: $140,000. Here’s what we didn’t get - or was in error:

1. Policy 4.403 is NOT in the Comprehensive Plan in the EAR Report but it IS in the City’s Comprehensive Plan - both in text and online versions;

2. On page 7-12 and pg 42 in the Comprehensive Plan in the EAR Report, Policy 5.406 (e) is referenced, but there is no such policy in the City’s Comprehensive Plan in text form or online. The correct reference is 5.403(a);

3. Policies 5.204 and 7B.103 are in the EAR Report but not in the City’s Comprehensive Plan online or in a hard copy text. The Comprehensive Plan is used to guide growth. 7B.103 is listed twice in the Comprehensive Plan in the EAR Report (pg. 80 and 81) but with different text for each;

4. Lastly, Policy 8.101 is not in the EAR Report. Instead Policy 6.101 is repeated twice both at 6.101 and again in 8.101. It is the same paragraph repeated and 8.101 is MIA;

MAPS: Figures 7.5 and 7.8 in the Map section are wrong. 7.5 has a Future Land Use Map alteration that violates the Small Scale Comp Plan Amendment process outlined in State Statute 163.3187 1. d: “The proposed amendment does not involve a text change to the goals, policies, and objectives of the local government’s comprehensive plan, but ONLY proposes a land use change to the future land use map for a site-specific development activity.” When the map for Walgreens was changed, it changed the text in the Comp Plan that only allowed 5,000 square feet for retail; Walgreens is 14,000 sq. feet. Not only was the Comp Plan not followed but also state statutes were broken. No editorial comment is needed here. Let the facts, which are stubborn things, speak for themselves. Also, there were no dates on the maps.

*And last but not least - the remark by the City Manager to the two Councilmen, “That’s why you were given this book two weeks ago.” That means she also had it. True? In fact, she had it back in March according to the City Manager’s report on 3/7/08. So why didn’t she go through it and find the errors before this came to the City Council or worse yet, sent it to Tallahassee?

This Council switches hats to become the Land Planning Agency. But when they switch hats, they are not magically and completely versed in all aspects of planning, construction, state laws and other technical matters. This Council/Land Planning Agency does not know what they don’t know. It’s the Council’s job to read and ask questions to make sure that the City is protected in all aspects. It is also the job and responsibility of a manager to make certain that work he or she delegates is being done properly and on time.

It was this lack of oversight that caused the City to miss deadlines and to get in trouble with contracts and agreements that do not have specific requirements IN WRITING in the documents. It does no good to transfer responsibility, after the fact, to staff members or others to be made scapegoats.

I take offense at the ease with which the City Manager transfers responsibility and culpability.

It is unfortunate that Mr. Dunne who was the primary planner for the City’s Growth Management Contract has been relived of his duties. Somehow, I have the feeling that Mr. Dunne may have been tossed to the wolves. Did he work in a vacuum? I don’t think so. Did anyone assist him in preparation of the EAR? Did anyone assist him in the review and preparation of other documents he was asked to amass and organize? Did anyone from GAI review preliminary drafts? Did anyone from the City review preliminary drafts. Review final copy before it is given to the Council for approval? If the answer to all of this is Yes, some changes need to be made at GAI. If the answer is No, some changes still need to be made. Whether the answer is Yes or No, something somewhere needs to be changed.

> Much has been written about the CSX/FDOT Commuter Rail/Freight enhancement deal. Please allow me the opportunity to express my view.

> I am in favor of commuter rail for Florida and will do my best to bring it about.

> However, the secret deal (the Florida Department of Transportation management required employees and consultants to sign 70 confidentiality agreements) between the department and CSX is not the answer to our transportation problems. What we have here is less of a commuter rail project and more of a corporate welfare giveaway designed to benefit a for-profit, multibillion dollar company at the expense of Florida taxpayers.

> My staunch opposition to the CSX/FDOT deal is about much more than just Lakeland or the constituents throughout my district. It is about what's in the best interest of all the citizens of Florida, the transparency of government and corporate responsibility. An objective review of my record will show that I am a strong proponent of commuter rail and would love to see a plan for an integrated statewide system of commuter/passenger rail.

> The skyrocketing cost of gasoline coupled with the frustrating congestion along the I-4 corridor have made commuters' patience grow thin, and understandably so. The people of Florida deserve an alternative to the crowded roads and a statewide commuter/passenger rail system has the potential to be an important part of a viable solution.

> The FDOT has entered into an agreement to purchase 61.5 miles of railway from CSX for a total cost exceeding $1.2 billion with $150 million of that as the purchase price and $440 million to double track portions of the 61.5 miles along the CSX A-line, which is already in need of improvements. The balance would have been appropriated for various capacity improvements to benefit CSX's flourishing freight business throughout the state. Additionally, CSX would still be permitted to run its freight trains on the track that the state would own and pay only between $2.5 million and $10 million a year to use it, depending upon the number of freight cars it runs daily. CSX would no longer have the responsibility of keeping up the tracks and may even be given the contract by the state (and more taxpayer dollars) to maintain it.

> If this is a fair price to allow CSX to use our tracks for 12 hours a day, why not just have CSX retain ownership and let us pay them the $2.5 million to $10 million to run commuter rail on its tracks?

> Aside from the proposal being shrouded in secrecy, FDOT and CSX played games with the legislation as well. The bill was never heard in the appropriate Senate committees to which it was referred. It was withdrawn from further consideration so the senators on the Transportation and Judiciary committees were unable to ask questions and hear public testimony. It was never debated on the floor or brought up for a vote.

> Furthermore, the FDOT did not produce a ridership study to gauge actual commuter interest in using the rail. If we are asking taxpayers to spend more than $1 billion and shift endless freight trains into neighboring communities, shouldn't we make sure that people would actually utilize it in the first place?

> As if all this failed to trigger the alarm bells, CSX has been unwilling to budge on the issue of indemnity, the most potentially devastating price to the Florida taxpayer. CSX demands that Florida taxpayers pay the damages in accidents even when CSX is at fault. Even if a jury awards punitive damages intended to punish CSX for grossly negligent behavior, CSX wouldn't have to pay and be punished -- Florida taxpayers would have to pick up the bill.

> This means that CSX -- with more than 3,500 safety violations in 2007 and eight deaths reported, thus far, in 2008 all the while achieving revenues of more than $2.7 billion in just the first four months of this year alone -- would be absolved from being held accountable for its own negligence. CSX wants us to indemnify it for its liability even if it is negligent.

> In an effort to provide passenger intercity rail, Rep. Dennis Ross and I are working with AMTRAK to develop a rail plan for the entire state beginning with the I-4 corridor. By federal law, AMTRAK has priority use of the CSX and Florida East Coast Rail tracks and can provide intercity rail service. Why are proponents of this deal so set on buying 61.5 miles of track that we can already use by contracting with AMTRAK to provide the same service but one that will cover the entire I-4 corridor?

> And as an added bonus, AMTRAK carries its own liability insurance so the indemnification and sovereign immunity issue goes away. Why, then, was this not offered to the public as a less-expensive and more-expansive option? AMTRAK does this successfully in 14 other states.

> I want what is best for all Floridians. I want a commuter rail system to be beneficial, fair and worth the investment. Let's just re-examine exactly what it is we would be buying into before we so anxiously hop aboard this train and let CSX take us for a ride.

A citizen writes in about the City Council and the last meeting. Citizens' Editorials

What transpired at the last Council Meeting - May 7 th - May 8 th - was not an embarrassment for the two new Councilmen. It was a catharsis for the Council and the City. It was an opportunity for anyone who was truly listening to the facts presented that not everything was hunky-dory in the River City these past few years. Those who listened to the facts would have seen this before making up their minds to defend at all costs the status quo.

Was it solely the fault of the City Manager to circumvent the Comp Plan, LDC and the Council in pushing through some projects? Maybe. Was it the fault of a previous City Councils that abdicated parts of their responsibility thus forcing the City Manager to take the reins and run with it? Maybe a little of both in spite of protests to the contrary.

It was a chance to show what can happen without the proper oversight in how taxpayer dollars are spent without keeping the Citizens – and sometimes even the Council - informed. Is it OK to forge ahead and bend a rule or two for the sake of expediency? The answer should be no. Every survey done in the last few years has “Citizen Involvement” if not at the top of the list, close behind. Even the Commuter Rail promotional literature stressed involvement by the citizens. Community involvement. And that is what our Charter shows:

Don’t you think this should be followed? Don’t you think asking questions is part of a Council’s responsibility? I was dismayed not only by the indifference of the other three Councilmen but also by the behavior of some of the audience who couldn’t wait to get up and unload on the speakers. Not one mention or question about the validity of what was presented. Just a popularity contest. Were they even listening to the facts?

Later, when questions were asked about the RiverBend project, the same grumbling and mumbling was coming from parts of the audience. But to the credit of Mr. Kryz, his attorney, and later Mr. Watts, they acknowledged and thanked the Councilmen for catching errors and correcting wording to make the agreement and Resolutions even better for both parties. Questions? That’s what a Council should be doing when subjects come before them. It’s easy to just sit back and assume that since it’s on the Agenda it’s probably OK to give it a quick tweak or just pass it on.

Where did that project come from all of a sudden? Have the particulars been reviewed to see if everything is in compliance? Where did the money come from for this project. And where is it going? What controls are in place to protect the taxpayers’ money? How can an unannounced project like the Skateboard Park appear after a year of silence and a budget of $600,000 grow to $800,000 and then to over 1 million plus without involving the Community? Lack of oversight? Lack of Communicaiton? A personal Agenda? Maybe all three. Question why some very complicated projects or subjects are given to the Council without sufficient time to read and digest what’s being asked for and expect them to vote on them.

Regarding Highbanks Marina and the fire codes that were discussed, it appears that the “fire expert” presented a series of formulas to show that fire operates in specific ways under certain circumstances. Therefore, the closeness of units in the RV Park is not that important. However, a visit to Ormond Beach RV park by Councilman Marks showed a unit that burned also severely damaged the siding on the next unit that was 15-18 feet away. It had to be torn off and replaced. I have one question: what’s the formula for that? I’m concerned about the people in these units in Highbanks. And they should be, too.

Now the other side of the coin. Where were the hundreds – yes, hundreds of people – who initiated the request to discuss the status of the City Manager? These weren’t imaginary numbers from the candidates. They were surprised the question came at them right after the doorbell was answered. So, where were these people? I know some were in the audience but were afraid to speak up after the “how dare you question our City Manager” crowd unloaded. Did they expect the 2 Councilmen to present their case without some support? The Fort Florida folks were there in spades. Why? Because they were afraid that somehow they might lose the chance to get fresh water and sewage lines. That’s fair. But where were they when other important Community topics were before the Council. Topics that would affect the lives of others in the City. The DGCC turned out in person and through e-mails to get rid of a trailer that would taint their view. Never before and never after. And they left the meeting immediately as soon as their topic was finished.

Homes could have been lost if the Saxon extension went through. Did anyone else show up to help these people? In fact, as soon as some of the people who turned out and discovered their particular home wasn’t in jeopardy, abandoned the people whose homes were on the list and went home. Nice neighbors!

This City – and probably many other cities – is notorious for citizens not attending Council meetings. They don’t take the time to find out what’s going on and then complain when their Ox is gored. Is sufficient information sent out by the City? Maybe a revision of the newsletter is needed. What do all the legal listings mean? People want to know that the City cares.

I still think Districting is one of the best ways to show that the City cares and to keep in touch of what’s happening City-wide. Councilman Marks can vouch for this by the phone calls and e-mails he gets from citizens almost every day – on many subjects. He responds to many in person or by phone. That’s what a Councilman is supposed to do. That’s what a Councilman is supposed to do. Stay in touch with the pulse of the City. By Districting, assign one Councilman- who may or may not live in the area – as a connection to the people. I’ve talked about it a number of times in the past years. Many cities have this kind of districting. It’s time for you to say yes or no.

Is the City going to hell in a hand basket? It could, but I don’t think so. Do you want a good-ole-boy form of government that tells the people what’s best for them – sometimes? Do you want a government that looks after every one of your pennies before they disappear into some questionable or personal project? You can be the judge of what happens next.

My own opinion after 12+ years of Council and City involvement – is to see the Council vow to work together - to question what’s going on – not to give anyone grief but to make the City better for everyone.

Last, but not least, I would like to see the City Manager return to the person I recommended for the job way back when. Someone who will work with the Council and not around it. Not to play favorites and to stick to the rules of good government. And to communicate with the citizens as often and as open as possible. It will be your chance to set the stage for the new council. If something is wrong, tell them. If you can’t do that, then…. It’s your move. Return Trust to the people.

Water Summit Meetings are called. Few attend. The missing are busy planning their personal agendas. Lots of talk about who’s going to suck more water from a river or lake or how many desalination ships need to be anchored offshore. How many desalination plants on shore? How many multi-million dollar treatment plants are needed per 10,000 people? How many more wells have to be drilled? And where? How long before algae and salt contaminate them? And where will the ships go during severe storms or hurricanes? Start a new artificial reef? Start hauling water in tanker trucks to serve the people who lost their ship?

The one question that is never asked is why can’t we stop these massive developments while we think of where we stand? They say, “You can’t have a moratorium without good reason.” Isn’t possible lack of water, more traffic, crowded schools reasons enough? Must we continue to rape the land, the Springs, rivers, the environment, the animals? What are we afraid of? Can City, County, and State government slow this reckless growth? Yes. If they want to. What are they afraid of? Can they come together and stop worrying about what developers will say? Yes. If they want to. We’re not an employment service for developers. While many are looking for booming growth to increase the tax base, Central Florida and the rest of the state is going to hell in a hand basket. “But, we need the jobs.” What happens after the development is finished and the developer takes off with his profits? The jobs are gone. Who pays for the increased cost of living? Who restores the environment? All the reasons people move to Florida will be gone. The jobs are gone and more and more people will be moving OUT of the State than move in. Do you think they will stay when taxes go up and water bills will exceed $200.00 a month?

How does commercial/industrial development fit into the equation? They have from 2 – 5- 10 or more employees who use water every day just like any household. Some more than others. Particularly restaurants. And when asked where they will be getting the water they say, Volusia County will supply water and sewage lines. How long do you think that will last? Should a waste water treatment plant be built now to ease the strain on the aquifer? If you look at the construction on both sides of Enterprise and both sides of Saxon, maybe it’s already too late.

I’ve been talking about water problems and environmental preservation for quite a few years. Late last year and early this year I spoke about a “water war that is not too far away between City’s , counties, and states.” It was pooh-pooed as a wild idea. Tell me what’s happening now. Newspapers and television are running articles almost on a daily basis about the dangers we are facing if we don’t do something. And it’s not just asking for “personal conservation”. More than that is needed. I also suggested asking builders to switch to other types of grass besides Floratam. There are many others and the sod producers can help us make that switch. Change the golf course grasses to more drought tolerant grasses for fairways and roughs. Leave the putting greens for the fancy stuff that has to be manicured.

The “experts” can’t seem to get away from multi-million dollar solutions – to be paid for by taxpayers. And I question the judgment of the St. Johns River Water Management people – as do others – in approving some questionable projects affecting the river and other uses. I wonder how they and City and County governments can even CONSIDER allowing a water bottling plant to be set up in Florida. Any part of Florida. Just say NO. When the aquifer is breached or spring flows reduced and the salt and algae get in – it’s OVER.

We can’t allow cities to be bullied by big money. Help those who are working hard to preserve all the reasons we came to Florida. And also all the environmental and natural reasons – even if we weren’t here.

My hats off to Mr. Armingeon, the Riverkeeper, the Audobon Society, and Sierra Club, Save the Manatee group and all the others who have raised awareness of what’s going on.

Water is not a limitless resource. And don’t think a heavy rain or two will replenish the aquifer. Most of it runs off or evaporates leaving about 5-10% to seep through where the fewer and fewer watersheds remain.

4/29: Pull the Pork! Sir John Likakis has a new POP Editorial in POP Editorials.

4/26: Two Editorials by Mort and Mark Meister in Citizens' Editorials. Facts and Horse Tracks are the themes...2 to 1 you like what you read. Oh, and isn't it election year again? Perhaps THAT is why we should soon hear the phrase, "And they're OFF!"

The primary subject that was discussed was the Commuter Rail Project. This is a summary of the presentation and some thoughts on it.

Tawny Olore, Central Florida Rail Project Manager, presented an update on the status of the Commuter Rail in Central Florida. A couple of items that were not adequately discussed were what the true costs might be and development around the stations.

Costs: No matter how you slice it, you, the taxpayer, are going to pay for it. To be built. And to maintain it once it’s up and running. After 7 years, the costs will be the responsibility of the County and each City. We’re talking MILLIONS. Right now, the estimate to get this project running is over $1, 000,000,000. And the maintenance costs will be about half a billion as our County’s share – spread among the Cities.

Development: At least this time it wasn’t the primary reason for the presentation. In the past they used to say you can’t have commuter rail without these “wonderful developments around each station.” This time it was at the end of the presentation. My hats off to Ms. Olore.

Do we need Commuter Rail? Yes. And the State needs it badly. Not just in Central Florida, but as connectors to the main Cities. But not the way they are going at it. Let’s look at the two words: Commuter and Rail. Commuter – the folks who need to travel to get to work. Rail – the least polluting and hopefully the cheapest and fastest way to get to work. That’s what the original proposal and promotion talked about. Get those cars off I-4. Give people an alternative. That idea didn’t last long. Every presentation after the Commuter Rail was voted through was about growth around every station. Condos, Apartments, homes, retail, multi-story buildings, etc. You could hear the developers salivating. People. Lots of people. One presenter even talked about putting in schools. I asked him where he intended to build them since we don’t have that kind of land available. He said he hadn’t looked into that. People. Lots of people. That’s what it will take around each station to make this Commuter Rail work. That’s what they said. Getting traffic off of I-4 was now secondary.

Will Votran run a shuttle service from each station to wherever the person works? What will the cost be to the commuter? For the train ticket? For the shuttle? For a cab? Weekly tickets? Monthly tickets? But with negotiating that can be changed. How much will it cost to get it up and running as it should be and as Commuter Rail is in most Cities across the country? No matter. Commuter rail will never be self-sustaining. Not here. Not anywhere.

If the Commuter Rail “people” want this so bad – and they should – why can’t they:

Prepare and build Station Platforms and Shelters long enough to accommodate 3 – car trains for quick boarding;

Prepare parking lots similar to the Park and Ride lots with a capacity of 100 cars. Have additional space set aside for additional parking if this begins to take off. You can grade and pave very quickly;

Isn’t that what it’s all about? Make commuting a reality. And a lot sooner and cheaper. Besides, around here, you’ll be facing water problems, School transportation (over-capacity) additional police and fire costs, budget cuts, etc.

4/16: Citizens' Editorials and National Issues have been added to by Mort and Van Conoley. Also, are we going to have the DeBary Derby here in town? Perhaps we should discuss this issue in public not privately with Council members one by one or reading about it in the newspaper over our oatmeal. Wouldn't it be better suited at...oh...say a Council meeting? It's these kinds of behaviors that people are tired of and want changed.

Here’s a summary and hi-lites of the Wednesday meeting for folks who may be shut-ins, have physical or work restrictions and just can’t make the meetings but would like to know what’s going on in our fair City. And for those who are waiting for their “Ox to be gored” before attending.

- A presentation was made by Carole Fucillo-Ollivier on the use of using prisoners for various “clean up” projects around the City. She cited some successful programs in the other cities where those convicted for misdemeanors or minor infractions do Community Service rather than jail time. Mayor Coleman said he is looking into similar programs in Holly Hill and Deland to see what’s involved and how much can be saved.

A first reading of the new Ordinance # 06-08 Land Development Code regarding the use of Canvas Carports, was read. It has some significant information and makes it easier for residents to protect their cars, boats, etc. – as long as they are not eyesores or protrude ahead of the front of the house. For more details, contact City Hall.

Waste pick up hours: Some residents complained about the early morning noise in picking up industrial waste. The Council heeded their concern and set the time to match residential hours – 6AM – 8PM. No more crack-of-dawn or late night rattling around.

Construction Trailer at DGCC: A “Modular Sales Office” – sounds better than Construction Trailer –

was finished being used by Southland Homes and one of the HOA (Home Owners Association)

asked if they could use it for storage and meetings. Mayor Coleman graciously offered each side

18 minutes to present their case. During the presentation, there was some clapping, cat-calls and

boo’s. Clapping – OK. Verbal carrying-on – NO. Respect the speakers. Anyway, the 36 minutes

allocated could have been cut to 3 minutes. Besides the fact as Councilman Lenzen said, “Who would

in a beautiful residential area?” There is a little thing called the Comprehensive Plan and the Land

have been filed when the contractor did not remove it and the other sheds within the reasonable time.

the City creating a feeling that it was a “Done Deal” before any discussion, etc. Lack of Communication?

Two code enforcement liens were settled with compassion when it was determined that the owners

of each property responded as soon as they were made aware of the violations. It’s unfortunate that

A few Development Agreements were reviewed and approved. The additional information in the

supporting documents made it easier for the Council to make an informed decision. Councilman

Nature Park: Two parking area sites were selected so they could proceed with getting millings

The meeting ran late, so some items were moved up to the next meeting which is on April 23 rd.

This will cover Highbanks Marina and Committee reports. The discussion on the City Manager was

moved to the front of the agenda for the May 6 th meeting. All the more reason for the Council to

re-consider scheduling two meetings a month as they have yet to finish a meeting they have started since January.

A moment to express a pet peeve. The expression used to classify a person’s interest in something is

“It depends on whose Ox is gored.” It was shown again as the DGCC crowd headed for the doors as

soon as their portion of the meeting was over. The Art League and other groups do the same.

Happenings in the rest of the city don’t matter. Be happy and safe in their “enclave”.

The Council and the people that put the information together for each meeting work hard to review

and prepare the materials for the meetings. It’s a disservice to your neighbors and the City to ignore

what’s gong on around us. Sooner or later, everything that does occur can affect your quality of life

and how the City is managed. Three hours per month is not so big a sacrifice. Be a part of YOUR City.

There was a fair turnout at the meeting but really not as many people as there should have been. However, I feel the Public should know what transpired regarding the approval of the Walgreen’s building and site. A pattern that ignores Land Development Codes and the Comprehensive Plan – the law of the City and State – whereby the Council approves projects with little significant information or time given to the Council or the Public.

Do we have a Council that follows their rules rather than state statutes and City codes? (Incredibly and sadly, yes to the latter.)

The March 5th meeting opened with the second reading of the request for approval of the Walgreen’s site Amendment of the City’s Future Land Use Map and application for a Zone Change. Last July the Council approved a “Final Site Design” for a Walgreens Drug Store. Size: 14,820 sq. ft. Zoning calls for 5,000 sq. ft. Since July the Walgreens was not compliant to the Comprehensive Plan which is governed by state law.

I’m going to skip the whereas’ and get to the nitty-gritty because there is only ONE way to describe what happened. “The approvals are backwards, do not conform to the Land Development Code or the Comprehensive Plan or the Gateway Corridor District.” The building is almost finished and NOW they want to make the Land use and zoning changes. That should have been done first.

Shouldn’t the people who live on the other side of the lake been notified back in ’07? Did anyone question the site map showing a significant intrusion into No Name Lake? A known flood prone area.

Yet, when some questions were raised and a discussion as to why this project should proceed, some of the comments we heard were: “Walgreens will be an asset to DeBary.” “It’s a nice store.” “Nothing else can fit there and the zoning was done 30 years ago. We need to be able to adjust with the times.” “Let’s be realistic.” The problem isn’t Walgreens or with any other legitimate business that might have been put here. It’s the questionable procedure used. The Council is being asked to make everything fit the Development Agreement – prepared by the Applicant – after the fact. And Exhibit “B” of the Master Plan which was given to the Council to help them decide, was illegible. And it also shows intrusion into No Name Lake. One Councilman stated: “This procedure is common practice to do what the City is doing.” Another: “We agreed to go forth with this project.” And, so, the Development Agreement was passed 3-2.

What is the purpose of having a Land Development Code and a Comprehensive Plan if we’re not going to follow them? Indeed, what is governing the policy-making decisions if it isn’t the Land Development Code and Comprehensive Plan? A wet finger in the wind?

Nuff Said! Do you want your City run by one or two people with personal agendas? Deciding what’s to be built and where regardless of Zoning and Codes? Two Councilmen are trying to do what they said they would do if elected…”Take back your city.” Not rubber stamp everything without reading the fine print and be given sufficient time and information to make the proper decision. Is that so bad?

It’s your City. Insist on being a part of it. Find out what’s going on – not just in your area – but throughout the City. Read. Think. Question. Come to Council meetings, and make your thoughts and your presence known. Who knows, your area may be next for some yet unknown project.

2/25: The website is updated in the Citizens' Editorials with a piece by Van Conoley. And in National Issues I've printed an editorial by Mort Culligan and Nelson Goodreau who responded.

This website is to discuss local issues although we have allowed citizens to discuss national issues.

On a personal note, the responsibility of running the website and my other duties is not an easy one. The future of the website is something I am thinking about not because of any reason other than my schedule. I chose not to write on the website due to my schedule and I find myself not able to give the website 110%; if I can't do the job right, I tend to let it go. We've had a great run here and I'd like to go out on top. More on this later.

Mention Districting at a City Council meeting and they shudder at the thought. Well, three of them do. They say _ “We want to represent all the people, not just a District.”

I made a proposal a year or so ago that DeBary is perfect for districting because it has natural dividers - Highbanks and 17/92. Four areas are created. Northeast, Northwest, Southeast, Southwest. Assign a District to each Councilman. He doesn’t have to live in the district. He becomes the personal contact when citizens have a question or a problem. They can call him and he will either give an answer and call back to the individual. And if he doesn’t do it in a reasonable time, then call the Mayor. He can be the alternate for all Districts.

None of this will keep Councilmen from representing the City as a whole. Isn’t that what they’re supposed to do? Serve the citizens of DeBary? It’s what the two new guys are doing. They both have responded to citizen calls – in person in some cases – because that’s what they said they would if elected. The City Charter and other City documents place Citizens of DeBary first. City Council second. City Manager third.

Most Cities have Districts. Some elect their Councilmen from the District they are to represent. It just makes good sense. Or they wouldn’t be doing it.

So what are they afraid of? That the citizens of DeBary will become more involved in the conduct of the City? That they have a say in how their tax dollars are spent? That they may want DeBary to “keep that small town feeling” without having more concrete than grass and trees to look at? That more people will attend Council meetings to see them “in action” and not be afraid to go to the podium and speak up?

Districting is another way of saying to the citizens of DeBary – we care about who you are and where you are.

Ask you neighbors what they think and send us your comments to post on www.debarypop.com

You’ve heard me ask “who can make water?” Haven’t gotten an answer yet. So, we better be paying attention to what is happening all around us as builders, in concert with local and County Governments continue to create massive projects with little regard to water availability or school overcrowding or the effect on the environment on the people who live here. It’s an important and complicated problem because nothing on this earth can survive without water. Yet, builders and local governments take a cavalier attitude about water as they pat themselves on the back because these projects increased their tax base.

Right now, Seminole County is building a water treatment plant to draw water from Yankee Lake – Lake Monroe – and is looking to partner with nearby cities to share the costs and supply the water. Orange City, DeLand and Deltona are showing interest and have been talking with the powers that be about partnering with the Seminole plant. Is DeBary keeping up with what is going on around us?

I also attended a presentation on Aquifer Storage and Recovery which is a system that takes potable water from a water treatment plant and injects it into a suitable aquifer for storage and future use. Right now, the SJWMD is picking up 95% of the costs for preliminary drilling and testing etc. Unfortunately, the presenters did not leave any papers behind for study. This was supposed to be a public meeting and the only reason it became “public” is because I happened to show up. I was the “public”. This was a poorly advertised meeting. Additional drilling will probably be around March, South of Dirksen.

The more I thought about this - and it’s been a sore spot with me for many years – rather than going into details on how wetland, resource corridors, pollution, wildlife needs, etc. are effected I found I had more questions than answers. Maybe from these questions you will see how water can effect the health and safety of us all. How many millions of gallons of water/day is OK to draw from the river? 150, 250? 300? Melbourne is now drawing 15 million gpd and Cocoa 9 million gpd. Other municipalities and counties want to draw 262 gpd which is more than the 155 gpd the SJRWMD says can be safely taken.

How much of a drop in the water level of the river is acceptable? 4’? 8”? 12”? At what point does it effect the survival of wetlands and manatees who will have narrower channels in which to navigate and less food available. What about other river species and wildlife? What will it cost each City to buy water from a treatment plan? How will these withdrawls effect the Weckiva River – it’s tributaries, wildlife and health? What will excessive withdrawls – particularly at times of drought – do to the water pressure available to municipalities? If it drops, what happens to the water available through hydrant lines to fight a fire? OK. There are pumper trucks that can boost it. For how long? What will these withdrawls do to the quality of Blue Spring, Gemini Springs and other Springs along the River? Blue Spring is already showing cloudy water. A reduction of water levels and pressure inhibits the springs and aquifers ability to keep salt water intrusion from advancing into the river and the aquifers. Divers have encountered a black algae in Blue Spring. A sign of its health changing? Possibly. And various pollutants can work their way into the Spring and aquifers. Fertilizer run-off, anti-freeze, dripping oil, boat washing soaps and anything dumped on the ground or near the river can find its way into the aquifer. Who will monitor the consumption and what will be the penalty of overdrawing – if they are caught?

Thus the umbilical to our public safety. Narrowed waterways will lead to more boating accidents. That, in turn will require more police activity taking it away from City presence. More Manittee collisions and a possible loss of the Manattee wintering area in Blue Spring because of shallower water and a possible loss of tourism. Swimming areas may become contaminated and closed to swimmers and divers. Brackish water may benter wells used by most of Old DeBary. A reduction in hatchling habitat along lowered shorelines – fishing stock decreases for everyone – including birds and other fish.

Did you know that DeBary is a source of water for Blue Spring? We are part of a large area that extends into Orange City. Did you know that if you draw a line across the peninsula south of Gainsville to just south of Daytona Beach, everything north of the line gets its water from the northern part of some rivers and mainly from Georgia. There will be a border war some day! Everything south of the line depends on Aquifers and Springs and the River. Many articles have been written by people more knowledgeable than I will ever be. Pat Hatfield, Al Iverson, Neil Aemingeon – the St. Johns River keeper and many others. Of course, developers pooh-pooh all of them and say they do no harm as they fill wetlands with dirt on which to build houses or pave the way for strip malls and assorted environmentally destructive practices..

Change people’s habits? Not easily done. We must take it seriously and demand that substantive changes be made to save something for the next generations. Restrict the use of thirsty grasses such as St. Augustine Floratam. There are many other drought tolerant grasses that could – and should be used on all new construction. Where is the water going to come from for the thousand home developments and commerce center like Victoria Park and Victoria Point? What grasses will be used for homes and recreation areas? Now, before they get going – is the time to get them to make environmental changes. And a strong look at changing grasses used on golf courses to save millions of gallons of water – even if it is reclaimed. What’s wrong with Bahia on the Fairways? Rough grasses in the roughs and keep the “fancy” grasses around the putting areas where they need to keep it watered and manicured? I’m sure there are many other things that could be done – if we really want to seriously take preservation of what nature gave us to live with. Clear cutting trees that help purify the air we breathe, polluting our water sources not just for us but for all living things, ridiculing people who spend their lives seeking better ways for man and nature to co-exist, allowing developers to buy their way into questionable building areas – leaving the taxpayer to pay for the effects of the destruction.

I attended a meeting in Deltona where they were discussing the need to start serious thinking as to where they were going to get potable water in the near future for all the mega developments and for Deltona residents. Most of the discussion centered on multi-million dollar projects – treatment plants, desalination plants – everything but restricting development.

And when potable water is only available from treatment plants, what do you think the price per thousand gallons will be? They can effectively control our lives because nothing can exist without water. One good suggestion came out of the meeting: use an independent, out of state National Research Company to do the St. John’s water study in a four or five County area. Unencumbered by personal agendas, political influences, nit picking, etc. Just how much can be drawn from the river before everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Over the years I have gotten a jaundiced view of research by local “experts” – most of whom end up working for a local City or County. Even some of the SJWMD decisions may be questionable.

We are all the stewards of the future. We can’t sit back and expect others to do the “right thing”.

“In matters of species preservation our efforts look as though they’re directed at Nature –

Last year I presented 16 suggestions to help get 2007 off to a good start. Three out of the 16 were acted on.

But, I’m not going to take the time to repeat what was left because we have a relatively new –

You – the citizens of DeBary – voted them in with overwhelming numbers. That’s why you

are part of this Council. And that’s what the members want you to be. What do you want tot

see happen in your City? What questions do you have that were never listened to or acted

on? Previous Councils were asked to make a wish list. How about a wish list from the community: YOU.

A moratorium on building until we know exactly where we stand…land, water, costs, etc.

Assigning a District to each Councilman – 4 areas that are naturally divided by Highbanks/17-92

– so you can call “Your Councilman” regarding questions or problems. If you don’t get a response

Above all, make your presence known. Come to City Council meetings and see and hear

what’s going on around the City. Not just when your area is covered. Most subjects

discussed and voted on can effect you and the environment one way or another even it

isn’t in your backyard. See how these meetings can become with your help “Citizens friendly” and “Business friendly”

It’s up to all of us to be involved. Let’s make DeBary better than even - in all respects.