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Clint Johnson: A Renegade to his own demands in his own words...



Are any of these the Mayor's new "pets" and what might they cost the City?

JC Cycles at Sunrail

Hennin sales office at Sunrail

Business next to the German bakery

Frisbee golf business next to nature park

Some other business he said he brought

Revolutionary way of voting

Others I have forgotten...


Yelling, Screaming, Threats of being removed if you talk...

No, that's not what citizens did to Mayor Johnson...it's how he acted toward citizens at his first meeting. I'm sure he'd love to have people believe he didn't start any of this stuff...that it was all sunshine and rainbows...in the beginning...

The rearview mirror:


G - O - N - E

Mayor moves his mailbox...


The Mingle Mangle

Almost a thousand homes of different sizes have been approved with the Costa and Riviera Bella projects. Walmart is underway. DeBary is changing. Positives. Negatives. We are still pursing senior exercise playgrounds so if you are interested, contact CM Dwyer or the City Manager if you want to be on the committee. Debary is growing. Roof tops and businesses. Make of it what you will.

The Mayor’s Mailbox is gone; however, just as the Mayor’s responses to questions about the bicycle, his non-degree graduation from Stetson he listed on two separate applications, and other issues have shown: his answers are as infected with misinformation as a streetwalker is with syphilis. And just as that pox tends to pop up in unwanted times and places, so too, I fear, will the Mayor’s Mailbox reappear to cause some burning and irritation.

On the side of the Mayor’s Mailbox it reads: “Let YOUR Voice Be Heard!” How? When? The Mayor said a private company collected the surveys. The Mayor never read them. He’s never brought to Council any suggestion from a survey for possible action. When were the people’s voices heard? Why did the Mayor do all of this? To be busy looking busy? Looking political? Looking status quo? Only to claim he’s not a status quo politician? Makes absolute sense with this guy. He thinks if he quotes enough leaders, he'll become one.

We have an election this year. Boy, 56% got it wrong with Mr. Johnson. What about this year? Will the citizens have learned? We’ll see. Mayor Garcia already has his paperwork in. And he’s willing to let titles go by the wayside and run for a Councilmember’s seat. I like that. Dan Hunt? Nick Koval? Rick Dwyer? Phyllis Butlien? Lenny Marks? Okay, that last one was just to tweak some noses. Four years is a long time, people. Better get it right this time.

From ARTICLE VI of the City of DeBary’s Ordinances:

Sec. 2-250. - Declaration of legislative intent.

· It is hereby declared that the management, preservation and availability of the city's records, both public and private, are in the interest of the public health, safety and general welfare of the public of and visitors to the City of DeBary. Therefore, this article is intended to:

(1) Effect and accomplish the identification, management, preservation, availability and study of public and private records;

(2) Safeguard the city's documentary history, heritage and unique attributes;

Sec. 2-254. - DeBary Records Management and Archives Program.

In this regard the custodian, among other things that may be required for the proper and efficient management of the public records of the city, shall:

(1) Organize and administer the city records management program;

(2) Develop and circulate such policies and procedures as may be necessary and proper to implement and maintain the records management program;

(5) Maintain documentation on the disposition of public records;

(Ord. No. 11-07, § 5, 3-7-07)

Ok. So, how is this really being followed when Mayor Johnson has I don’t know how many private email accounts? When he isn’t using a City laptop computer? Councilmembers are City employees…kind of. If the City is sued for something the Mayor has done, the City should divorce him and tell him he’s on his own. The first time, fine. But anymore…

If he’s not going to cooperate, why implicate the City? The City literally cannot adhere to Florida Statutes when it comes to the Mayor’s public records because they do not have access to them. Why does the Mayor insist on not using the City server? Why does he insist on making things so difficult? Why does he insist on skirting City Codes, laws, statutes? Why?

Some things in DeBary are changing, growing and moving forward. For good or not so good. Some things will not be changing. Personalities can not be cured or changed. So while DeBary is now in some very interesting times that are paving the way for our future, for the next three years, we’ll continue to have outbreaks of the Mayor’s behavior and “projects” that all too often already have resulted in taxpayer monies being used to cure.

Norm Erickson – I voted for Jack Lenzen.



From 3 weeks ago:

From: Lisa Roberson  
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:29 PM
To: Clint Johnson; Chris Carson; Rick Dwyer; Mike Brady; Lita Handy-Peters; Dan Parrott
Subject: Mayor's Mailbox - Temporary Location

Hello Everyone,

Please remove the Mayor's Mailbox from its current temporary location in the parking lot at Debary Commons Shopping Center. Thank you so much.

Lisa Roberson
Vice President of Property Management

Clint Johnson - you have to move that mailbox...get on it...get responsible...the last time you refused to do what you were supposed to do, it cost the City many, many thousands...do you not respect the property rights of others. Here is a private landowner being obstructed by an elected official claiming not to advance the "status quo"...


And he's off!

The Campaign Committee for Bob Garcia would like to inform you that as of today, February 5th at 9:24am we have received written confirmation from City Hall that Bob Garcia has qualified by Petition for DeBary City Council - Seat 1. 


The Mingle Mangle



I'm not getting a penny from the lawsuit. It's a public records suit. When public records are denied, citizens can either lump it or sue to see the records. Had they been given over, all of this could have been avoided - Norm


The all time quote about rail supporters from Houston's Mayor Lanier: “First they say, `It's cheaper.'  When you show it costs more, they say, ` It's faster.'  When you show it's slower, they say, `It serves more riders.'  When you show there are fewer riders, they say, `It brings economic development.'  When you show no economic development, they say, `It helps the image.'  When you say you don't want to spend that much money on image, they say, `It will solve the pollution problem.'  When you show it won't help pollution, they say, finally, `It will take time. You’ll see.”

Bob Lanier, before becoming Mayor of Houston

quoted in Houston Metropolitan Magazine, 

November 1990, page 49.

2/3: Ridership is important because it generates revenue. Operating SunRail in its first year cost $34.4 million. Ridership only accounted for $2.1 million. The train had other revenue sources, such as advertising totaling another $5 million, but that left the state to pick up the rest of the $27 million.

And the state of Florida is not scheduled to cover those costs starting in 2021. That burden falls on the five local partners — including Volusia County.


From the DBNJ - 8/22/14:

In an interview, Johnson said he lists his address as 389 Detroit Terrace, a vacant lot, because he owns the lot, plans to build a home there and receives his mail there. He rents a one-bedroom home on adjacent land owned by his parents. Both properties are within the DeBary city limits.

He worked for the Orange City Police Department and was terminated six months later after a three-vehicle crash in his squad car that an investigator determined was his fault, city records show. Johnson said his style was not a good fit with the department and he did not contest the firing, which occurred within his probationary period.

Mayor's Mailbox...going...going....and:

CENSEO...are they coming to DeBary?

From Censeo's Website:

The danger of "brilliant jerks": "Some companies tolerate them. For us, the cost to effective teamwork is too high.



City Meeting on 2/3 @ 7:30



1/31: Sent in by Mrs. Sandler with her permission to post here:

Mr. Mayor,

You are constantly whining on social media about the fact that you are trying to bring “Fresh, New and Bold Ideas” to DeBary yet are being shot down by the “old guard” on the City Council.  I’m a little confused by your rhetoric, as I have been attending Council meetings for ten months now and the only item that I have seen you bring to the table is the Poker Room.  You never add items to the official agenda but rather throw out haphazard thoughts at the end of the meetings.  Obviously, the other members of Council have not voted down your ideas, as they are never even given the opportunity to discuss or vote on them.  To use an “old” expression, it’s time to put your money where your mouth is.  If you feel strongly about something, add it to the agenda so that it can be intelligently discussed and voted upon.  If for whatever reason, you choose not to do this, then please refrain from blaming your fellow Council members for your lack of action.

You profess to be a proponent of bringing new retail businesses to DeBary; however, you made the following  statement on your Twitter account:  “Being a “death to the brick-n-mortar kinda guy”, I do enjoy walking around the mall (before buying on Amazon).  Guess it’s kind like a museum.”  Hmmmm….makes me wonder how you can represent yourself as a representative of the City of DeBary who wants to bring new retail businesses to DeBary.  Can you provide me with an explanation?

I had high hopes that 2016 would be a better year for DeBary and wanted so badly to believe that you would refrain from calling your constituents and fellow Council members names; however, that hope was short lived.  You continue to blame everyone else for your shortcomings.  I’m sorry to say that it looks like we’re in for another tumultuous year. 

                                     Joan Sandler


To:  Joan Sandler
Cc: Rick Dwyer <RDwyer@DeBary.org>; Lita Handy-Peters <LHandy-Peters@DeBary.org>; Mike Brady <MBrady@DeBary.org>; Chris Carson <CCarson@DeBary.org>; Dan Parrott <DParrott@DeBary.org>
Subject: Re: Your Fresh, New, Bold Ideas

Don't be so dramatic. I like your comments about the nature park. 





On Jan 22, 2016, I Bob Garcia former Mayor of Debary met with my Campaign Committee and residents of Debary to discuss the PROS and CONS of re-entering the political arena in Debary. After Forty-Nine years of service in the Military, Community Involvement and in the Political Arena I still have a strong desire to serve Debary. I have already picked up my Candidate & Campaign packet and I will be opening my campaign account on Monday Feb 1 st, 2016. I am formally announcing my Candidacy for Debary City Council Seat-1.



Can the Mayor ever be totally honest? And this guy is collecting money for...what again?

Mayor Johnson is claiming that he did not receive emails - particularly the one from the property owner of Winn-Dixie about the Mayor's Mailbox.

The Mayor, literally posted a screen shot on FB that shows he did receive the email while the Mayor stated simultaneously he did not - this is typical of his personality and we've come to expect it. On that post on FB it reads thusly:

Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups: mayor@teamdebary.com

Mayor, you found out that emails were not being correctly delivered to your personal email address from your City email inbox. However, you failed to mention that they were all correctly received at your city provided email address. Why did you not read them there?

Don’t try to make the people believe the fault for your failing to read emails was not yours.  The screen shot you provide on FB proves that the emails were in your city mailbox, and the city server attempted to send them to your private email.  You had the emails, don’t lie your way out of this one.

Norm Erickson


When FB reported that the Mayor's Mailbox was going to be moved, the Mayor responded:

Clint Johnson: “Checked my email & mail & heard nothing about it.”

Really? POP to the rescue. Here is the email, Mayor:

From: Lisa Roberson  
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:29 PM
To: Clint Johnson; Chris Carson; Rick Dwyer; Mike Brady; Lita Handy-Peters; Dan Parrott
Cc: Chad Tullos
Subject: Mayor's Mailbox - Temporary Location

Hello Everyone,

Please remove the Mayor's Mailbox from its current temporary location in the parking lot at Debary Commons Shopping Center. Thank you so much.

Lisa Roberson
Vice President of Property Management
Stafford Properties, Inc.

Next excuse, Mayor?

Property Management requests City to remove the Mayor's Mailbox.

Rich Gailey:

Since I have not been bestowed the honor to post on DeBary Proud I will post my concern about the Mayor's lies about a local businessman, here. Jimmy McCleary, who owns Tropical Screen Rooms, is licensed and insured and is an honorable business man. He has been doing screen rooms longer than he has been in ministry if you are looking for a man with impeccable integrity to do your job. Most of you probably know of him because he started Crosswaves and Crossover ministries over 20 years ago. Many of the youth who have come to know Jesus Christ through these ministries are kids that have come from broken homes and the streets. Jimmy has been in Ministry in SW Volusia more than 90% of the pastors in our area. He does not get paid any money to run these ministries. He is like the Apostle Paul who used his business to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with these kids. If the Mayor of DeBary has any character left he will Man Up and ask for forgiveness for his assinine comments he made on DeBary Proud on a pleased customer's post. Just because you are in the same business as Jim McCleary and you are the Mayor or DeBary does not give you spotlight to run a fellow businessman and disciple of Jesus Christ down. You are an embarrassment to the City of DeBary.

P.S. If Mayor Johnson needs any help figuring out the biblical doctrine on forgiveness Jimmy McCleary and the thousands of children he has been a mentor to around Central Florida will be able to help you.


Yet another DBNJ Editorial on the Mayor - broad based and in-depth:




Not Qualified to Teach...but more than eligible for Mayor: Teacher Lies about Degree and Resigns...oh my...the value of an actual education...people who lie about degrees to enchance themselves due to low self-esteem...only to then bash the value of education...who would do such a thing?



Correction: Costa Project Moves Forward: 3-0

Three Councilmembers cast a verbal vote of "Yes" for the project. Neither CM Dwyer nor the Mayor cast a verbal vote. And while the two abstaining did not dissent when asked if there were any "Nays", I think that argument is one for mediocrity and less transparecy rather than clarity and simplicity.

As citizens, we should demand all of our elected officials including the Mayor to verbally cast a "Yes" or "No" vote on issues as is called for by the City Charter. In fact, isn't that why we don't do roll call voting...because the Mayor stated the Charter demands "ayes" and "nays"? The Mayor doesn't even do that. Why didn't CM Dwyer vote on the issue? Maybe the Mayor's bad behavior is rubbing off on Dwyer.

Maybe the Mayor has become Dwyer's mentor...maybe Dwyer will want to talk with other Councilmembers privately the way the Mayor does with VM Handy-Peters...only time will tell...

Norm Erickson

Costa Project Moves Forward - 4-0

Mayor continues to act like a yutz...to expect otherwise would be madness on our part...

From Mayor Johnson’s Twitter:

Headline: "City Manager picked to LEAD Orange City" Why is someone appointed given more authority and power than any elected representative?

Why are you Mayor Johnson trying to take on more power and authority than you actually have? Why are you trying to do end runs around Sunshine Law and trying to be above the law? Why are you doing things supposedly as a private citizen that end up costing taxpayers money? Why are you trying to trade on your title of Mayor to get things from various people in the city like a bike or advertising in a newsletter? Did you make money off of that, Mr. Mayor? How could we possibly know – will you open up the books? Should we trust you after the myriad of, I’ll be kind, inaccuracies you have uttered about a number of issues?

City Managers can’t do very much without Council’s permission. On the other hand, Councilmembers only have “power” when that gavel comes down at the beginning of the meeting. It goes away at the end of the meeting.

Norm Erickson




Mayor is asked to "cease and desist":

A letter from Chapman Law sent a letter to Bell & Roper asking Mayor Johnson to "cease and desist" in his defamatory remarks about a former City Staffer - but those lawyers are representing Mr. Johnson in another matter.

The letter stated, in part,:

Mr. Johnson has been defaming my client, Stacy Tebo, by falsely claiming that she forged or altered his application(s) for positions within the City of DeBary. These statements have been made by Mayor Johnson to various individuals and to the press. Most notably, in a story run on WFTV (Channel 9) it stated:

"The mayor accuses a former city staffer who was fired for changing the type of degree listed in an application of creating controversy even though Johnson admits he has no proof of that."

Ms. Tebo is the only staffer who has been fired and therefore it is clear that Mayor Johnson is referring to her. If he does not immediately stop making such false and defamatory statements, Ms. Tebo will file suit against him.

Martha Chapman



It's not YOU, Mr. Mayor...it's all of us

The DBNJ's 4th or 5th editorial about our Mayor...it's not him...it's US...it's us, people:



No more insults - 2016 will be different:

Lita Handy-Peters could probably be a good council-woman if she quit being a total puppet to her loser husband John


Last night Mayor Johnson tried to make us believe 2 + 2 = 5 by stating the Charter called for a new Vice Mayor to be elected. Here is the language from the Charter:

Sec. 4.03. - Vice Mayor.

At the first regularly scheduled meeting following the City's general election, the Council, by a majority vote, shall elect from among its membership a Vice Mayor

Did we have an election in November? The Mayor can’t get this right and we’re supposed to just take his word on other complex issues as if he can read, evaluate and assess…anything? He insulted CM Carson by stating this should be done in honor of his last year, only to state later that he was doing it because he could not talk privately with VM Handy-Peters. Sunshine Law? Can this guy ever be honest?

But then again, this is the Mayor that can’t understand the following from our Charter:

Sec. 5.02. - Commencement of term.

The terms of members of the Council shall begin on January 1st of the year following the election.

Go to the link below to see Mayor Johnson’s current “term of service” being 1 year and 6 months according to the Mayor. Can this guy ever tell the truth? Some people are just more comfortable embellishing themselves than telling the truth or being able to discern the truth.

Clint Johnson

August 2014 – Present (1 year 6 months)




Citizen editorial by Patricia Stevenson

Dec 29 Informational Meeting, for Rezoning, PUD proposal by Steve Costa

A Beacon article back on October 15 th previewed the plans we heard at tonight’s meeting.  The proposed Ft. Florida Commons is located on 300 acres between Ft. Florida, Barwick, the power plant, and the River Bend.  The “U-shaped” development borders a previous development, a subdivision called “Meadowlea”.  Most residents in attendance had received certified letters about the meeting, and were prepared with questions for the property owner Steve Costa. 

The proposal, presented by Mr. Costa, is a “Planned Urban Development”, a binding agreement between the city and a developer, to meet certain minimum standards such as traffic, education, and storm water management.  The “Vision” presented is a working sustainable “agri-community”, with edible landscaping, community gardens, and public access to two primary bike trails.  Out of 300 acres, 50 acres is planned for “single family” residential, 50 acres for “townhomes” , 20 acres for “ponds”,  and 40 acres of “open/natural” space.   The “resource corridor” along the river bend would remain intact, along with 20’buffer zones.  2 acres on the corner of Ft. Florida and Barwick is requested commercial, for a farmers market, co-op etc.  

The main questions from residents centered around traffic and drainage, as well as the preservation of the natural beauty and wildlife.  Proposed entrances on Ft. Florida and Barwick means those roads will need to be improved, culverts raised and brought up to code.  Some residents already have drainage issues, so this will probably be the biggest hurdle, mainly due to the low topography of that area.  Attractive and functional water features were highlighted during the TOD planning meeting, and I would like to see more detailed plans specifically related to water management.

Property values are always of a concern, and the first thing Mort told me he wanted was low income housing for his “brothers”.  Rest assured that is not the plan, rather the single family residences proposed will have minimum 1600 square feet (Townhomes  will have a minimum 1500 square feet), and have a estimated value starting in the low $200’s.  This project is being presented as part of a sustainable community model, is located close to the train, and my first impression says:  I like this plan!  Happy New Year, I am looking forward to more discussion at the next meeting Jan 6, voting anticipated to take place Jan 20.



This is open to the public but it's purpose is to share information and answer questions from residents within 200 feet of the proposed development.
It is a proposed re-zoning..the Council can negotiate the terms, density, etc. on this project.

But tomorrow night is an informational meeting required by our Codes.

A similar proposal was brought to Council 9 years ago and is documented in POP Archives...


This is what responsible, mature adults do: they correct the record and admit they were wrong. They don't pass it off on others or try to make us eat an excrement sandwich of outlandish explanations and tell us how good it is...even with cheese on it. It's like training up a child. The Mayor should put his "explanations" on an Etch-A-Sketch.

The Mayor and the truth? I've never seen anyone so overmatched since Mike Tyson tried to recite the alphabet.



I was talking to a citizen the other day about our Mayor's woes. The citizen remarked, "Well, that's who the people voted for." Really? I took a friendly exception to what the citizen had said: "No, who we have now as Mayor is not who campaigned for office."

Evidence? Click on the link below and listen to the Clint Johnson from May of 2014.

This is who the 56% of the people voted for...is it what they got?

Elections don't end in November on election day...








What a great performance was given by the Orange City Orchestra under the direction of Maestro Rick Dwyer on Saturday December 19 th. This was their eighth Christmas Concert performed at the Community United Methodist Church (free of charge to all who attended) and was preformed to a standing room only audience (approximately 300).

The orchestra was at its best with each selection played with total professionalism. Maestro Dwyer had them right on target.

The members of the orchestra are all volunteers and are more than willing to share their God-given talents. They give hours of their time to practices and rehearsals just to perform for us, the musically-challenged people. I want to personally thank them for sharing their talents and making the Christmas season a lot brighter, also the Community United Methodist Church for hosting the event.

There was an audience sing-along and what a great job the audience did. It reminded me of the old fashioned Christmases, just like the one’s I used to know. Thanks for the memories Orange City Orchestra.

With the orchestra tuned up, the clock precisely at 7PM, the murmur of the crowd hushed and the maestro at the podium, the magic of the Christmas Concert began.

A special thanks to Maestro Dwyer and the Orange City Orchestra for giving of their time and to share their talents with others. If you missed this event, you missed an opportunity for a most enjoyable evening.

The orchestra puts on a series of concerts throughout the year at no cost to all who attend. It’s FREE for anyone who wants to go. Keep your eyes and ears open for their next concert and make sure you get yourself there.

I hope they will be back to do other performances next year. They are a treasure for all of us to enjoy.

Thanks again for the Christmas memories that the orchestra gave to all.

Merry Christmas and a Happy Healthy New Year to all.

Lenny Marks

The Power of POP?

DBNJ News Article:




I Want OFF!

Trying to Take the City for a Ride

Last week (12/17) I suggested that Clint Johnson pay for the bike he used on the 800 mile trip he took. He has not. So, the business is now looking to the City to pay. JC’s Bikes and Boards sent a Work Order to the City’s accountant for the amount of $2763.11. The City is refusing to pay. While the bike is 1475.00 the Garmin Edge 1000 is 525$. Along with other materials such as clothing and shoes…it’s a financial ride the City needs to continue to opt out of.

I feel for the business owner who believed Clint was representing the City during the wheeling and dealing of the two-wheeler which has been going on since July, but Clint needs to pay his bills. The owner felt that when Clint came into the business wearing a City of DeBary shirt, asked for help, it was the City asking for help. In an email to the City from the business the issue was put this way: “At this point a DeBary elected official has used the City name to steal from a local small business.”

Oh boy. Not the way we want to start 2016.

But I actually find this from the Mayor more interesting when it comes to how he might have paid for the bill:

When Clint was asked about the donations for the “stuff” – bicycle and other items, Clint’s response was:

“Most of the donations have been made out to “friends of Volusia trails” so they aren’t cash in hand.”

Ok. So, the donations to the “Friends of Volusia Trails” were to be used to pay for the bike?

I asked this question last week when there were contradictory statements on Facebook. I think it is now fair game to ask: Where is all of this money going? So anyone giving cash to Friends of Volusia Trails – what happened to their money? These are 501-C3 organizations, aren’t they? Where is the oversight?

Now the bidding online? Remember that. Here was Clint’s solution:

“I guess if people can bid on this bicycle, a higher sticker price will get a higher return. (If it bids bad, I’ll have the ability to “self bid” and win it to do something different).”

I hope this doesn’t come before the Council. I don’t know if this crosses into “recall” issues if Clint was passing himself off as “Mayor” to this business. But this needs to be cleared up. It makes the City look bad. It makes it look like an elected official is using the City to steal from a local business. Where is the money being collected going? How do we know?

Clint Johnson needs to stop bringing the “Mayor” into these private dealings which, when they go sideways, become “City” issues. It needs to stop. Now.

Who was the complete idiot who was thinking of shutting this website down?

Norm Erickson






The Mingle Mangle:

Mayor Marcel Marceau



“Don’t give the prick the satisfaction, Sir.”

Clint Eastwood - Heartbreak Ridge

While we’ll still have the Mingle Mangle there will be no more “Mayor’s” Mingle Mangle.   It doesn’t help the City move forward and it doesn’t help the Council move forward.  And, quite frankly, the focus of POP is City issues.

I will still receive, I’m sure, the Mayor's postings from various social media sites and all of that – if it crosses over to a City issue, particularly Sunshine Law violations, POP will cover it. If it is just postings to churn up and chum up the waters for attention…well…not as interested.

2016 is a year of possibilities with development and an election. Anyone willing to run and possibly work with this Mayor: God Bless you.  Whether you are friend or foe of the Mayor, know this: if you disagree with the Mayor on an issue, he very well might turn on you.

Evidence: the Mayor did exactly that on the two minor issues of roll call voting (done for years) and keeping public participation at the beginning of Council meetings (done for…well, over the last decade if not since our City’s inception).  The Mayor was very upset that the other four did not see it his way. The “disrespect”. “Indignation”. Etc,.

While POP is sharpening its focus and the Vice-Mayor and CM Brady, Dwyer and Carson continue to concentrate on Agenda items, let’s dream that the Mayor will think back on Wayne Duprey’s words of insight from the podium: “It’s like it's never you, Clint. It’s always somebody else. It's always somebody else. ” I think Wayne's words that night summed up the issue perfectly. And I know he supported him and took no pleasure in saying what he did...but he said it well.

Let’s hope 2016 sees some change in our Mayor’s treatment of citizens and fellow Councilmembers.  After all, it’s a time of miracles. And if he doesn’t and continues to post and behave with such falderal, we’ll just move along with City business.

Norm Erickson


Mayor Johnson , who complains about "status quo" politicians and "old guard" mentalities, votes "No" on bringing better growth in TOD area and moving this City forward with better options for growth- something the Mayor says he likes to do.

Mayor makes the case for roll call votes as the voting was so muddled that people were asking who voted how - I'm talking about Councilmembers asking who voted how...Mayor can't verbally cast his vote. I thought he didn't have a problem voicing his position on things?

Ultimately, the Mayor simply blows more smoke than the Sistine Chapel during a papal election.

Mort Culligan violated public participation rules for Special City Council meetings while admonishing the Council for not adherring to public participation rules.

Only in DeBary, kids...only in DeBary.



The Mayor's Mingle Mangle:

Rhetoric Over Accuracy


Part II of V



City of DeBary Website gets it wrong - they have the Mayor's term of office starting in January of this year: 1-1-15. That's when he was installed as Mayor. CLICK HERE FOR LINK TO CITY

But, the Mayor has the right information on his LinkedIn page as sent in by a reader. Go to the link yourself. The Mayor has his term of office beginning in August of 2014. Quote: – Present (1 year 5 months)

City of DeBary...please change the information on your website - Clint Johnson has been our Mayor since August of 2014...the start and stop times of terms of office needs to be...correct.

To say that Mr. Johnson became Mayor in January and not August is an embellishment of 5 months...we do not want that to happen.




WFTV: "DeBary Mayor lied about college degree in city applications"

From The Music Man:

Mayor Shinn: "He's slipperier'n a Mississippi sturgeon"

I can't believe POP is gonna stop with all of this happening...

I attended SUNY Potsdam - but did not graduate - but now, according to the Mayor, I graduated the day I left.

I attended SUNY New Paltz - but did not graduate - but now, according to the Mayor, I graduated the day I left.

I once visited the men's room at Yale...

Do you have a degree and not know it?

Mayor said he hastily filled out application in 2014 and provided false information. Now claims a former staffer changed the information in 2012 application with the same false information though he has no proof. But, the Mayor agrees that the information listed is acceptable because that's the date he feels he graduated.

So, the staffer changed it to the day he feels he graduated anyway? Quote from Mayor: "The day I graduated is the last day I attended school..."

So, according to the Mayor, someone forged something, information about his "graduation date", that the Mayor says he agrees with - this is an issue?

He's really saying that?

Also, from WFTV: During his campaign, Johnson said he never told voters that he's a college graduate.

The date on the application for Interim City Council Member is June 26th, 2014 - that's when Mayor Johnson was campaigning- so he put that on an application but didn't "tell" anyone? That dog don't hunt.



The real Norm Erickson


When you tell the truth...you don't have to remember anything:

From Clint Johnson's Application - August of 2012:

Q: How long have you been a resident of DeBary? A: 14 Years

Got it.

From Clint Johnson's Application - June of 2014 (2 years later):

Q: How long have you been a resident of DeBary? A: 13 years

14 years...then 2 years later...13 years...

"I usually take a two-hour nap from one to four." Yogi Berra

The Mayor knows what you mean, Yogi.



Do we get to know now, Mr. Mayor? An oldie but goodie posted by the Mayor on FB back in June as previously shared on POP - I asked the Mayor about this from the podium - he said it was going to be a Christmas surprise....:

Clint Johnson – June 25th at 11:08PM: I agree with you, Jim. To that end I have hundreds of hours and a lot of money invested in working on a revolutionary solution to the inherent problems with government as it is known today.


The mayor said that his posting about Lita Handy - Peters (F--- Lita) was taken out of context. There is NO appropriate context for that slur. I am disappointed that the reporter from the News-Journal did not even comment on the mayor's lies on his applications.

I think that the lies are extremely relevant in assessing the mayor`s character or lack thereof.
M. Sandler


As Promised...

Our Year Long Nightmayor:


Part I of V



Attn: Kenny Paterson...I'm sure Mr. Paterson reads POP...but just in case...can someone get this to him? Thanks.

November 7th, 2006 DeBary Citizens passed the Bond Referendum for Stormwater Improvements.

That language citizens voted on…the language on the actual ballot read thusly:

Without raising the stormwater assessment fee shall the City of Debary issue revenue bonds for the acquisition of land and construction of stormwater improvements in an aggregate principal amount not exceeding $10,000,000 with a maturity not exceeding 20 years from their date, as determined by the City Council, bearing interest not exceeding the maximum rate allowed by law and pledging stormwater utility special assessments and all legally available non ad valorem tax revenues as security?”

So, Kenny Paterson who spoke at the last meeting. See that first sentence: “Without raising the stormwater assessment fee…”? Well, as Mr. Paterson demonstrated, it’s gone up over 100%. So, take the ballot and this language to the next Council meeting and have a talk.

The resolution states that the vote in 2006 “authorized the City to pay for the costs of the project…” but the actual language was “without raising the assessment fee”. Therefore, any additional costs must go through regular budgeting – like maintenance. That’s my opinion based on bond referendum citizens voted on; however, if voting meant anything, they’d make it illegal.

Oh, I’m putting the link to the actual ballot online so you can read it yourself. There’s always the possibility some arse might think I’m embellishin’. So read the words for yourself.

Norm Erickson



Two takeaways from the City Council meeting on 12/2:

  • The Mayor stunned himself with his own lie about his Stetson degree when CM Dwyer handed the Mayor the Planning and Zoning application the Mayor had filled out in 2012. The Mayor had typed – typed, he had graduated from Stetson in 2006. This event happened after the Mayor explained his lie in 2014 about graduating on a different City application: he explained how he very quickly filled out the application and made a mistake about his own personal history. The Mayor looked at his own application from 2012 and stated he could not explain why he had typed his Stetson graduation date of 2006. I can: you lied, Mayor to make people think you graduated. It’s called “credentialism” and you’re quoted in the paper as saying you don’t need it – another lie. Calling someone who lies a liar is a generational thing, don't take it to heart, Mayor. Fun fact: on the application to Orange City, Clint Johnson did not state he graduated from Stetson. He wrote the truth. Lie to DeBary but tell the truth to Orange City. These are public documents in the Mayor’s own handwriting.
  • The Mayor has argued that roll call votes are not allowed for by the Charter unless requested. True. He also argued to devalue the use of roll call votes. But when it came time for the censure vote, the Mayor called for “all those in favor” a beat or two, and then, “those opposed” and voices were talking at the same time…and it was a disastrously mishandled situation that shows why roll call votes work better. I don’t know how CM Carson was voting. Everyone was looking around. The Mayor was calling for a unanimous vote and it was just lunacy. Each vote should be a roll call vote. The Charter allows for a member to ask for one for each vote. Ask for one for each vote.

Norm Erickson

Mayor to "tone back social media"

"I'm not going to take people to task on Facebook as I used to." My italics - Norm



Mayor Votes to Disapprove of his own behavior and that he has no confidence in himself

The Vote on Censure and No Confidence:



Hasn’t the Mayor Already Been Censured?

In newspapers and on TV the Mayor has, in effect, censured himself. I doubt many could read or watch the news about the Mayor admitting to calling citizens “trolls”, residents attending Council meetings the “peanut gallery”, and his fellow Councilmembers “jerks” and telling the Vice-Mayor to her face, “You suck!” and believe that any of these behaviors are appropriate.

Censure is an expression of disapproval. I can’t imagine anyone approving of the Mayor’s behavior and words towards citizens and fellow Councilmembers.

Will a majority of Councilmembers vote for censure? We’ll see.

If they don’t, wow, why did we spend at least a grand on the lawyers to draw up decorum policies and study how to throw someone out of a meeting for violating the decorum policy when if the Mayor violates it, it’s not even met with disapproval?

And if it’s not met with disapproval…well… " As*****” is simply a vulgar term that describes an “…irritating, ridiculous person”. Why not have that word bandied about at the podium and dais? If “troll” is an accurate description of other people, as the Mayor states and he uses it at meetings…see where this could go if not met with disapproval?

Reasonable people would agree that the Mayor’s behavior that’s he’s admitted to is not appropriate. Calling people names when there is no provocation should be met with disapproval.

CM Brady motioned for censure a couple of months ago – no second. Things have gotten worse – not better. If censure then, surely now, as time and a chance for improvement was given to the Mayor. But improvement has not happened.

CM Brady was ahead of the curve on this one, but let’s not avoid doing the right and correct thing now just because fellow Councilmembers’ prudence was misplaced in the Mayor a couple of months ago.

Only friendship and politics would prevent an individual or individuals from admitting the clear, observable behavior of the Mayor is abhorrent, repugnant and will not allow progression for 2016.

The Mayor speaks about wanting to “change this City” and do things for this City as if he’s added even 1 item to any City Council agenda in the last 12 months – he hasn’t.

He wasted our time for a cardroom project that the landowner did not submit an application – a project the Mayor himself did not second to move forward when given the chance – I think a little time spent on his admitted behavior is worthwhile when it involves name calling citizens and Councilmembers.

Norm Erickson

Coming Soon for POP's Last Month:

The Mayor’s Mingle Mangle


Part 1 of 5: Humbug All Throughout the Year


Meeting on Dec. 2nd - 7PM

-Final Site Plan for Fire Station

-Job Opportunity Grants

-Request to the Mayor


Council to address Mayor's comments to Citizens




To frame the issue of the Mayor’s behavior we must move away from the Mayor and specific citizens.

The rule is this:

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it become a universal law.

So, the issue is not “Should Mayor Johnson call Norm and Patricia Stevenson trolls”? Because there could an infinite number of answers and that doesn’t help us address the actual issue.

The issue is this:

When citizens are just sitting quietly at a meeting, should any elected official call any of them a derogatory, belittling, and/or offensive name or term?

I believe most people would agree that when citizens are attending a public, open Council meeting or workshop, not talking and just sitting quietly, it is not acceptable for any elected official to call them some kind of negative term.

When any elected official does act in such a manner, it should be addressed.

Let’s take personalities out of it if we want to discuss how everyone should act, citizens and elected officials alike, in all circumstances.

Norm Erickson