Home Page

Mission Statement

Citizens' Editorials

Send Us A Comment

Past is Prologue

Sunrail 2014:How we'll pay:BOHICA

2010 SunRail Last Stop: Boondoggle

Commuter Rail: From the Other Side of the Tracks

Commuter Rail: Manna from Heaven, Sweetness, Light, and other Propaganda

2008-2010 Summaries of City Council Meetings by John Likakis


Archives 2016

Archives 2015

Archives 2014

Archives 2013

Archives 2012

Archives 2011

Archives 2010

Archives 2009

Archives 2008

Archives 2007

Archives 2006

Citizens' Editorials 2014

Citizens' Editorials 2013

Citizens' Editorials 2012

Citizens' Editorials 2011

Citizens' Editorials 2010

Citizens' Editorials 2009

Citizens' Editorials 2008

Citizens' Editorials 2007

Citizens' Editorials 2006

POP Editorials Archives 2013

POP Editorials Archives 2012

POP Editorials Archives 2011

POP Editorials Archives 2010

POP Editorials Archives 2008-2009

POP Editorials Archives 2006-2007

Meetings to Attend and Links


National Issues that may impact DeBary


Click here for: VCSO Daily Reports - DeBary


DeBary POP Closes Its Doors

Although it's been hinted at in the past and come real close, this time it's for real: After more than a decade of covering DeBary issues, DeBary POP is shutting it down.

It's been a real learning experience about City codes, politics, the media and one's self. It's a magnificent opera and we all play our parts. What I'm most thankful for are these experiences I've had in what is, hopefully, the middle part of my life rather than nearer the exit. I'll still be involved and speak out from time to time. But immediate family issues take precedence and...it's just the right time.

DeBary POP was the brainchild of Lenny Marks and I thank him for the recent Doo Wop POP contributions - below will be the last. John Likakis contributed often during our history here with articles about meetings that I could only hope to come close to matching in terms of content and temperment.

I'm keeping the domain name and email for a year, so if something pops, you can still ring me.

It's been...fun.


Norm Erickson



Let’s do some Aphorism;

It’s not whether you win or lose, but how you place the blame.

We have enough “Youth”. We need a fountain of “Smart”.

A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party.

Money isn’t everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch.

If at first you don’t succeed, skydiving is not for you.  


Have You Heard the One About …?

A huge football fan receives a free ticket to the Super Bowl from his company. Unfortunately, when he arrives at the stadium he realizes the seat is in the last row in the corner of the stadium – he is closer to the Goodyear Blimp than the field.

About halfway through the first quarter, the fan notices an empty seat 10 rows off the field on the 50 yard line. He decides to take a chance and makes his way through the stadium to the empty seat.

Before he sits down, he taps the shoulder of the man I the next seat over. “Excuse me, is anyone sitting here? The man says no. The fan can’t keep his excitement to himself. He turns to the man and says “This is incredible! Who in their right mind would buy a seat like this at the Super Bowl and not use it?”

“Well, actually the seat belongs to me,” the man replies. “I was supposed to come with my wife, but she passed away.” This is the first Super Bowl we haven’t attended together since we got married in 1967.”

“That’s really sad,” says the fan. “Couldn’t you find a relative or a close friend to take the seat?”

“No.” the man replies. “They’re all at the funeral.”

Now that’s a funny one.

Martha Raye

I came across this the other day and felt it would be a good FYI article to pass along. It shows the changes of the times, from the Greatest Generation to our last few generations.

Martha Raye by far was one of the top comediennes of all time.

It was well recognized that Martha Raye endured less comfort than any other Vietnam   entertainer.

I was unaware of her credentials or where she is buried.

Somehow I just can't see Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, or Jessica Simpson doing what this woman and the other   USO women, including Ann Margaret & Joey Heatherton, did for our troops in past wars.

Most of the old time entertainers were made of a lot sterner stuff than today's crop of activist bland whiners.

The following is from an Army Aviator who takes a trip down memory lane:

"It was just before Thanksgiving '67 and we were ferrying dead and wounded from a large area west of Pleiku.

We had run out of body bags by noon, so the Hook (CH-47 CHINOOK) was pretty rough in the back.

All of a sudden, we heard a 'take-charge' woman's voice in the rear.

There was the singer and actress, Martha Raye, with a Special Forces beret and jungle fatigues, with subdued markings, helping the wounded into the Chinook, and carrying the dead aboar d.  Maggie' had been visiting her Special Forces (SF) 'heroes' out 'west'.

We took off, short of fuel, and headed to the USAF hospital pad at Pleiku.

As we all started unloading a USAF Captain said to Martha.... "Ms. Raye, with all these dead and wounded to process, there would not be time for your show!"

To all of our surprise, she pulled on her right collar and said "Captain, see this eagle? I am a full 'Bird' in the US Army Reserve, and on this is a 'Caduceus'   which means I am a Nurse, with a surgical specialty.... now, take me to your wounded!"

He said, "Yes ma'am.... follow me."

Several times at the Army Field Hospital in Pleiku, she would 'cover' a surgical shift, giving a nurse a well-deserved break.

Martha is the only woman buried in the SF ( Special Forces Cemetery) at FT Bragg, NC.

God Bless you Martha Raye you made my book of heroes.



Our next visit down Doo Wop Alley we pay a visit to a group who made ever song they made sound like an old standard. The group formed in Jersey City, NJ, and named themselves the Duprees. They strung out many, many memorable hits. See if you remember these, lets start with their biggest hit on the Coed Label “You Belong to Me”. Next another of their mega hits on the Coed Label “My Own True Love” ( Tara’s theme from Gone with the Wind) and to end this triple play another super hit again on the Coed Label “Why Don’t You Believe Me”.

Please enjoy these masterpieces that you probably haven’t heard in many years.

Click here for: You Belong To Me

Click here for: My Own True Love

Click here for: Why Don't You Believe Me





We at POP Salute All Our Veterans Past, Present and Future


We thank all Veterans for their service and for our freedom as Americans


When you pass a flag flying high say a thank you to our Veterans








Words of Wisdom;

If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.

More Laws of Probability;

Law of the Bath - When the body is fully immersed in the water, the telephone will ring.

Law of Close Encounters - The probability of meeting someone you know increases dramatically when you are with someone you don't want to be seen with.

Law of Result - When you try to prove to someone that a machine won't work, it will.

Law of Biomechanics - The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the reach.

Law of the Theater and Arena - The people whose seats are farthest from the aisle, always arrive last. They are the ones who will leave their seats several times to go for food, beer, or the toilet and who leave before the end of the performance or game. The folks in the aisle seats come early, never move, have long gangly legs or big bellies and stay to the bitter end of the performance or game. The aisle people are also very surly folk.

This is a funny one;

Researchers for the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority found over 200 dead crows near greater Boston recently, and there was concern that they may have died from Avian Flu.

A Bird Pathologist examined the remains of all the crows, and, to everyone's relief, confirmed the problem was definitely NOT Avian Flu. The cause of death appeared to be vehicular impacts.

  However, during the detailed analysis it was noted that varying colors of paints appeared on the bird's beaks and claws.

By analyzing these paint residues it was determined that 98% of the crows had been killed by impact with trucks, while only 2% were killed by an impact with a car.

The MTA then hired an Ornithological Behaviorist to determine if there was a cause for the disproportionate percentages of truck kills versus car kills.

He very quickly concluded the cause: When crows eat road-kill, they always have a look-out crow in a nearby tree to warn of impending danger.

They discovered that while all the lookout crows could shout "Cah", not a single one could say "Truck."

How nice to have a good laugh.

Do you remember the Five Keys?

One of the most established, significant, and admired groups of all time, the Five Keys. They started out in the late 40’s when two sets of brothers joined together. Then in the early 50’s they named themselves the Five Keys. The Five keys had three of the greatest lead singers that any group ever had, Rudy West, Dickie Smith and Maryland Pierce.

A good start would be “The Glory of Love” with Rudy West and Dickie Smith sharing the lead on Aladdin from 1951. Our next choice is “Close Your Eyes” with Maryland Pierce and Rudy West on duel leads on Capitol Records from 1955. The last selection is another great group harmony sound “Out of Sight, Out of Mind” with Rudy West on lead on Capitol Records from 1956. You’re not likely to fine a tighter knit harmony group than the Five Keys.

I hope you enjoy these three fabulous recordings.

Click here for The Glory of Love

Click here for Close Your Eyes

Click here for Out of Sight, Out of Mind



Clint Johnson will not be running for Mayor. How do I know this? Because Clint never does what he says he is going to do. The raft, the records, the "donations", etc,.

Norm Erickson




Words of Wisdom;

May the rest of your years be the best of your years.

Laws of Probability;

1. Law of Mechanical Repair - After your hands become coated with grease, your nose will begin to itch.

2. Law of Gravity - Any tool, nut, bolt or screw, when dropped, will roll to the least accessible corner.

3. Law of Probability - The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.

4. Law of Random Numbers - If you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal and someone always answers.

5. Variation Law - If you change traffic lanes the one you were in will move faster than the one you are now in.

Laugh Time:

Missing Letter "R"

A young monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to helping the other monks in copying the old canons and laws of the church, by hand.

  He notices, however, that all of the monks are copying from copies, not from the original manuscript. So the new monk goes to the Old Abbot to question this, pointing out that if someone made even a small error in the first copy, it would never be picked up!

In fact, that error would be continued in all of the subsequent copies.

The head monk, says, "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son."

He goes down into the dark caves under the monastery where the original manuscripts are held as archives, in a locked vault that hasn't been opened for hundreds of years.

Hours go by and nobody sees the Old Abbot.

So the young monk gets worried and goes down to look for him. He sees the old monk banging his head against the wall and wailing. "We missed the R! We missed the R! We missed the bloody R!"

His forehead is all bloody and bruised and he is crying uncontrollably. The young monk asks the old Abbot, "What's wrong, father?"

With a choking voice, the old Abbot replies,
"The word was...


The Crests were founded by J.T.Carter with Talmadge Gough, Harold Torres and Patricia Van Dross (sister of Luther Van Dross). Johnny Maestro came a little later as their lead singer. Maestro had a unique singing style that became a favorite of all audiences. The group’s first four cuts were on the Joyce Label then they moved to the Coed Label where they turned out hit after hit. This is one of the mega groups of the 50’s and 60’s. After the Crests disbanded Johnny Maestro formed a new group, the Brooklyn Bridge. They had some success scoring some top 20 charted songs. Johnny Maestro passed away on 3/24/10 at the age of 70. Johnny Maestro, a true legend.

Let’s crank up the volume and start from the very beginning with a great up-tempo cut on the Joyce Label “My Juanita”. Now to the Coed Label with the great “The Angels Listened In” and we end with their biggest hit “16 Candles”.

Click here for My Juanita

Click here for The Angels Listened In

Click here for 16 Candles





Nothing better than words of wisdom;

If you don’t have time to do it right, you may have time to do it over.  

Laugh Time:

Christmas break was over and the teacher was asking the class about their vacations. She turned to one boy and asked him what he did over the break.

“We visited my grandmother in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania,” he replied.

“That sounds like an excellent spelling word,” the teacher said. “Can you tell the class how you spell that?”

Without hesitation, he said, “You know, come to think of it, we went to New York City.”

Boy was that a side splitter.

Get those toes tapping and those memories started, here are the Earls a group from the Bronx, NY, who charted many enormous hits. Their tenure was cut short by the British invasion but what memories they left for us. So let’s start with their biggest nationally charted hit, on the Old Town Label “Remember Then”. Next is a great song of faith and hope, on the Old Town label, “I Believe” the best rendition I have every heard. To this day the Earls sing it at all performances, dedicating it to group member Larry Palumbo who was killed serving his country during a parachuting accident. Lastly from an Old Town LP listen to the groups haunting sound of “Out in The Cold Again”.

Click here for: I Believe

Click here for: Out in the Cold Again

Click here for: Remember Then

And Norm is throwing in this classic Earls' song - it's top drawer, rare air:

Click here for: Never



Let’s start out with words of wisdom;

You don’t stop having fun when you get old.

You get old when you stop having fun.

Laugh time

Mary just finished college and decided she wanted to become a nun. So off she went to see the Bishop. She told the Bishop of her plan and asked for his approval. He tells her the order she has selected is one of the strictest there is.

She nods her head in acknowledgement. He approves of her choice and informs her that she will be allowed to speak only two words every five years. She nods her head in approval and off she goes for her studies.

Five years pass and she goes to see the Bishop. The Bishop asks her if there is anything she has to say, she replies “beds hard”. The Bishop replies that the problem will be taken care of.

Another five years pass and she sees the Bishop again. The Bishop asks her if there is anything she has to say, she replies “food cold”. The Bishop replies that the problem will be taken care of.

Another five long years pass and again she sees the Bishop. The Bishop asks her if there is anything she has to say, she replies “I quit”. The Bishop is taken aback by her response and after thinking about it for a few moments he replies,


I know I heard some serious laughing out there, and that’s good.  

Our featured group is the Drifters. This group has been around for decades with hit after hit to their credit. This group started in the early 50’s and kept their popularity well into the 70’s. They had many lead singers and what I will do is give you three of the groups most popular. We shall start with “What’cha Gonna Do” with the great Clyde McPhatter singing lead on the Atlantic Label from 1955. Our second selection was a huge hit for the group with the incredible Ben E. King “Save the Last Dance for Me” on Atlantic Label from 1960. And we will wrap it up with one of the all time sing along songs, from 1964 on the Atlantic Label “Under the Boardwalk” with Johnny Moore on lead.

So let us return to when AM radio was king, here are the DRIFTERS

Click here for What'cha Gonna Do?

Click here for Save the Last Dance For Me

Click here for Under the Boardwalk



When will the Ethics Investigation and Final Report come out?

Apparently its release is being timed with Charlton Heston's bloody hand coming down on the big crystal button on the control panel for the doomsday weapon...

The essence of Clint Johnson:

Filing a frivolous lawsuit stating the City did not follow the law in kicking his tookus to the curb...perhaps..a judge will decide...however...meanwhile...back in a shed on Dutchmans Bend Road: Clint has yet to follow the law these past 12 months by turning over the public records he has had all this time...yeah...that's Clint all over: You have to follow the law...but not Clint...

DeBary Council and Staff Move Forward

A number of important items on the Agenda for this Wednesday:

Click here for full Agenda



Let’s start out with some words of wisdom:

Where we walk today is not as important as where we walk tomorrow.

Let’s keep those Lexophiles coming:

The batteries were given out free of charge.

A dentist and a manicurist married. They fought tooth and nail.

A will is a dead giveaway.

I think you were chuckling.

Let’s listen to three from arguably one of the best female groups, the CHANTELS. They truly are a mega group. They cut nearly two dozen 45’s many scoring in the top 100 on the Billboard charts. They also cut six LP’s, not bad if you ask me. Let’s start with one of their biggest hits and their first recording “He’s Gone” on the End Label, next up is their second recording another blockbuster “Maybe” also on the End Label, Finally another smash hit “Look in My Eyes” this time on the Carlton Label.

Click here for: He's Gone

Click here for: Maybe

Click here for: Look in My Eyes

So lean back, close your eyes and enjoy these songs from the 50’s and 60’s.




Let’s start out with words of wisdom:

Don’t drive as if you own the road; drive as if you owned the car.

How about a few Lexophiles

A lexophile is a lover of words, especially in word games, puzzles, anagrams, palindromes, etc.

When fish are in schools, they sometimes take debate.

A thief who stole a calendar got twelve months.

When the smog lifts in Los Angeles, U.C.L.A.

Did I see a little smile on your face?

Enjoy these great dusty old 45’s I just pulled out of the vault, so let’s get to it.

Today we have a tri-fecta from a group who only made a handful of records, but all well above average. Starting with their biggest charted hit then to a song telling a beautiful love story and lastly with that old chestnut, here are the WRENS:


Come Back My Love

Serenade of the Bells




The return of DOO WOP POP:


There will be a new feature coming to POP. It will be called POP DOO WOP and will bring a few Doo Wops each week - Sunday and Wednesday.

These doo wops will hopefully bring back good memories for some, new memories for others. No doubt from a more peaceful time.

Gus Gossert who hosted the “Doo Wop Shop” on WCBS FM 101.1 and WPIX FM 101.9 in New York City gave a definition of the words Doo Wop.

“The word “doo wop” like the words “oldie” or the “sound,” is only a term. No matter what you prefer to call it, it means memories and love, and in the long run, that’s what it is all about”.

Let’s start DOO WOP POP off with two huge hits. Let’s cue the old 45 RPM record player and begin with the great Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers from 1956 on the Gee Label – “I Promise to Remember” and we’ll end with a classic by this group, also from 1956 on the Gee Label “Share”.

Keep tuned for our next selections and keep on rock’n.

Click here for: I Promise to Remember

Click here for: Share


Moving Forward

Special Election – While it is up to this Council to follow the Charter they must do so concomitant with the Supervisor of Elections. Thus the Election for a new Mayor is some months away. If it were up to these Councilmembers and City Staff I’m sure they would have the election sooner rather than later; it’s not entirely up to them given the time of year and the year: General election year. Good point were raised, but the Council is not in a position to dictate dates here.

New Business:

At the last Regular Meeting I was surprised to see so many new items given we have an interim City Manager. Upon further reflection, CM McLemore and his 40+ years experience allows him to move this City forward in the manner he sees is best. It’s still up to the Council with a vote – but this City is not going to just sit around given we just removed Clint - the world doesn’t stop. So it’s good to see movement on the TOD with people who have done it. It’s good to see a Committee of Citizens on the Community Center issue that will really get into that issue and tear it apart to come away with the best recommendations and end product. Listening to the names on that Committee, and I don’t know them all, the ones I do know will have no problem asking questions and finding out answers. It should be good discussions all around.

We have the Mil Rate set and the budget set.

I think there is a period now of just realizing what a toxic atmosphere had been created and the quietness of normalcy is foreign. But we’ll quickly get used to it.

We have two seats to fill this year. One next year and it looks like our interim City Manager will be around for the next half year or so until we have a newly elected Council next April. I think that bodes well for DeBary. With Clint gone we will get a larger field of candidates for City Manager who didn’t want to work with him while he was on Council.

Things are moving forward. But better than that, coming off the experience of having had someone like Clint in office, many of us realize that no matter the City issue coming up in the future, if we disagree on that issue, it’s just a disagreement. And no one is going to burn the City down via social media or immature behavior on the dais because one party is not happy with the outcome or disagreement. We simply disagree.

Also, the Council directed the Interim City Manager to do away with the physical office of the Mayor. And I think that’s a step in the right direction as well and it appears the Council agrees. Let's do it before anyone is elected Mayor and expects to have that office.

Norm Erickson


We Have Reached Normalcy...

1st Meeting Without Clint is pleasant, no cursing, no stress, no conflict...


You see...Clint had the records the whole time...he just never turned them over.

From: Clint Johnson <Mayor@TeamDeBary.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 4:27 PM
To: Mike Brady; Chris Carson; Rick Dwyer; Lita Handy-Peters
Cc: Doug Daniels
Subject: Public Record Requests

 I want to fulfill your public record requests, as I have said many times. There will be no charge for most but some of the requests will require extensive use of information technology and a great deal of clerical or supervisory time. My estimate of the costs for researching, gathering, & redacting those records is below. Please advise if I’ve missed any.

-All city related emails outside of my @debary.org account. 
-All records related to the state of the city mailer. 
-All records related to the flyer distributed prior to the public hearing. 
-All my Facebook Activity Logs. (60 hours @ $46 = $2760)
-All my Twitter & Instagram activity.
-All records relative to Team Clint activities including bike trip, no-shave, head buzz, etc. These activities were personal ventures in which the city formally refused to participate so they are not public records. However, in an attempt to satisfy your desires and put this issue behind us, I am willing to fulfill the request. (10 hours @ $46 = $460)

 If any documents need to be print copied the charge will be .15/page. I believe all records can be delivered digitally unless otherwise requested. The charge for a 32GB USB drive is $8.99.

 To proceed, the total estimate is $3228.99, payable in advance. Any expected increase or decrease in the total will be noted as the request is fulfilled. Any paid overages will be returned with final delivery of the records & any shortages will be due upon final delivery. 





The Sadness that is Clint Johnson

Yes, it's going around that Clint Johnson is doing "battle" with the Mayor of Sanford in a "Mayors Challenge" involving t-shirts, money, beer, money and...I guess though I don't, charity. Who would give money to Clint when he can never account for where the money goes?

Who goes around entering Mayoral contests when they are not a Mayor? Think about that. Deeply. Who goes around entering Mayoral contests when they are not a Mayor? Who would do that? What kind of mentality is that?

People are asking the current Council to, I guess, do something about this. I don't know what they can do. Oversight of the money raised? Cease and desist letters? I guess. Or any Citizen could do that.

Clint has traded on being Mayor since he was elected Mayor and continues to this day when he's not Mayor. I still greet Mr. Coleman, Mr. Garcia or any past Mayor as "Mayor". It's a sign of respect for having done the job right regardless of disagreements...sometimes...deep disagreements.

That Clint wants to go around saying he's still Mayor and enter Mayoral contests as if he is, that is truly sad. That the Sanford Mayor is going along with it, isn't much better: he's in a Mayoral contest where he is the only Mayor in the contest.

Clint is off the Council. The Council has had two years of this. If they do anything, submit the advertisments to the legal eagles and let them deal with it.

Norm Erickson


The following was sent into POP. I'm in the process of filing just such a report with the State Attorney's office - Norm.

I think Johnson should be prosecuted for his use of the city seal when he was on one his rants leading up to his removal hearing.

You actually wrote about it and cited the statute.

He committed a crime and the city or someone should request that charges be filed. 


Given that Clint Johnson was found guilty of violating Prohibitions in the Charter and we now have to hold a Special Election to fill that position, shouldn't Clint Johnson pay for that Special Election?

Could the City sue Clint Johnson for costs he incurred to the City?

Could Citizens file a Class Action Lawsuit for recovery?

It's a thought passed on to me by several Citizens and I think it's worth noting and thinking about. Perhaps even to follow up on.

Perhaps this could be brought out at the next meeting on 9/7...now that only the grown ups are on the Council...we could actually have a conversation with the four Agents of Maturity.

I might talk about it with the City Manager and Clint can listen to the conversation at the end of the hallway...


209 Citizens did not vote for the Seat 2 position...


Erika Benfield: 33%

Nick Koval: 24%

Mayor Garcia to run for open Mayor Seat...